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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

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    So do you or do you not support public accommodation laws protecting race and religion? Dont whine about the race card. Nobody ****ing called you racist. It's an example to demonstrate the point: people are in favor of public accommodation laws, except when those laws protect someone they dislike.

    What was "special order" about this cake you speak of? And which cake was it, there has been more than one bakery with this situation.
    What is special order is that it's not premade and available in the display case. A special order means that they have to special order it and the bakery makes it especially for the customer and their event. I'm talking about the bakery that had refused to make a wedding cake for a same sex couple. They didn't bar homosexuals from the bakery, in fact they could buy anything that was made and offered for sale out of the case. But they restricted which special cakes they made, and in this case didn't want to make a cake for a same sex marriage ceremony.

    The government has to make all the public accommodation it needs to, it cannot discriminate; but private business is private.
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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What is special order is that it's not premade and available in the display case. A special order means that they have to special order it and the bakery makes it especially for the customer and their event. I'm talking about the bakery that had refused to make a wedding cake for a same sex couple. They didn't bar homosexuals from the bakery, in fact they could buy anything that was made and offered for sale out of the case. But they restricted which special cakes they made, and in this case didn't want to make a cake for a same sex marriage ceremony.

    The government has to make all the public accommodation it needs to, it cannot discriminate; but private business is private.
    And because a "special order" wedding cake is part of their normal sales services, they cannot restrict this service in violation of public accommodation laws. Listen, McDonalds can't say "you're black, so we will refuse to hold the mustard on your burger because that's a special order." That's not how public accommodation laws work.

    These laws apply to businesses, and you don't seem to be willing to admit you think they should be repealed.
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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And because a "special order" wedding cake is part of their normal sales services, they cannot restrict this service in violation of public accommodation laws.
    So if they make cakes for special events, they have to do all of them? Thus I can go to a religious couple and demand they make me a Hail Satan cake, and they must, yes? Otherwise I can bring down force of government to neigh bankrupt them. I can go to a black owned bakery and demand a KKK is Great cake, and they must abide yes? Else here comes the guns of government. Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    These laws apply to businesses, and you don't seem to be willing to admit you think they should be repealed.
    I already said the goal would be to get rid of these sorts of floppy laws that could favor convenience over rights. Some instances in this Republic warranted some amount of initial intervention, but we as a People must move to a point where we can support our morals and through our interactions and consumerism, properly servo the system. The government can't do it for us.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So if they make cakes for special events, they have to do all of them? Thus I can go to a religious couple and demand they make me a Hail Satan cake, and they must, yes? Otherwise I can bring down force of government to neigh bankrupt them. I can go to a black owned bakery and demand a KKK is Great cake, and they must abide yes? Else here comes the guns of government. Right?
    What was that about absolute arguments?

    Wedding cakes were clearly within this business' normal operations.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What was that about absolute arguments?

    Wedding cakes were clearly within this business' normal operations.
    Many bakeries make special cakes for events or other festivities for customers. Are you saying my Hail Satan and KKK is Great cakes aren't "protected", but we're protecting everyone, yes?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Many bakeries make special cakes for events or other festivities for customers. Are you saying my Hail Satan and KKK is Great cakes aren't "protected", but we're protecting everyone, yes?
    Membership in a terrorist organization isn't a protected classification.

    KKK membership isn't a race or gender. Not really sure what your confusion is.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Membership in a terrorist organization isn't a protected classification.

    KKK membership isn't a race or gender. Not really sure what your confusion is.
    Just making sure that your argument for equal rights isn't actually equal, but only for groups you think are deserving. And it is. Trying to construct the one way road is a sure way to lose liberty.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

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    *yawn*
    Are you yawning because you agree with equality same sex marriage?
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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Just making sure that your argument for equal rights isn't actually equal, but only for groups you think are deserving. And it is. Trying to construct the one way road is a sure way to lose liberty.
    No, it is for everyone. Just not based on every conceivable characteristic or action. Where did you get the idea that it has to be all or nothing?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not necessarily the civil rights act, but push towards a place where everyone's rights and liberties are acknowledged and respected; not just a few chosen groups.
    what choosen groups are you speaking off? the "group" currently being discussed includes you and me and all of us
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