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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

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    Not necessarily the civil rights act, but push towards a place where everyone's rights and liberties are acknowledged and respected; not just a few chosen groups.
    Oh, you're one of those people who thinks the civil rights act only protects black people?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

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    Oh, you're one of those people who thinks the civil rights act only protects black people?
    Nope, but there are application of law that infringes on the rights of some to protect the conveniences of others.

    Is hyperbole the only debate skill you have? Let's try to knock up the intellectual honesty a little bit, shall we?
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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

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    Nope, but there are application of law that infringes on the rights of some to protect the conveniences of others.

    Is hyperbole the only debate skill you have? Let's try to knock up the intellectual honesty a little bit, shall we?
    You said "chosen groups." But public discrimination laws protect everybody. Nobody can be discriminated iagainst on the basis of their race, or gender. And in many states, sexuality. So what's the difference between "I shouldn't have to sell cakes to black people" and "I shouldn't have to sell cakes to gay people?"
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

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    You said "chosen groups." But public discrimination laws protect everybody. Nobody can be discriminated iagainst on the basis of their race, or gender. And in many states, sexuality. So what's the difference between "I shouldn't have to sell cakes to black people" and "I shouldn't have to sell cakes to gay people?"
    No they do not. If I had requested a hail satan cake from the bakery, do you think they'd be out of business now? They would have refused to make that special order cake, it would be against their religious practices. No, the fact is that the application of that particular law in that particular case infringed upon the property and labor rights of the business owner for the convenience of the customer to not have to walk across the street to another bakery.

    These universal arguments of yours do not apply universally.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

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    No they do not. If I had requested a hail satan cake from the bakery, do you think they'd be out of business now? They would have refused to make that special order cake, it would be against their religious practices. No, the fact is that the application of that particular law in that particular case infringed upon the property and labor rights of the business owner for the convenience of the customer to not have to walk across the street to another bakery.

    These universal arguments of yours do not apply universally.

    One of the bakeries in question was more than happy to make a cake for a dog wedding and a pagan solstice celebration, so I'm not sure the religious beliefs argument was genuine in the first place.

    Refusing to do special orders and refusing to make a cake because the couple it's gay are different things.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

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    One of the bakeries in question was more than happy to make a cake for a dog wedding and a pagan solstice celebration, so I'm not sure the religious beliefs argument was genuine in the first place.

    Refusing to do special orders and refusing to make a cake because the couple it's gay are different things.
    They refused to make a special order cake for a same sex ceremony. Which may be stupid, particularly from a business standpoint, but as it is their business and their cake and their labor that makes the cake; it should pretty much be their call. A cake is not a right.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

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    They refused to make a special order cake for a same sex ceremony. Which may be stupid, particularly from a business standpoint, but as it is their business and their cake and their labor that makes the cake; it should pretty much be their call. A cake is not a right.
    that sounds great. Just declare serving black people is a "special order."

    It's my labor, so I don't have to serve black people, right?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    that sounds great. Just declare serving black people is a "special order."

    It's my labor, so I don't have to serve black people, right?
    It's not exactly what happened here (they didn't refuse service to a gay couple, they refused to bake a special order cake for a ceremony they didn't fundamentally agree with), but seeing as the only way you seem to be able to argue headway here is to play the race card, a black man would have no innate right to your cake either. A cake is not a right.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not exactly what happened here (they didn't refuse service to a gay couple, they refused to bake a special order cake for a ceremony they didn't fundamentally agree with), but seeing as the only way you seem to be able to argue headway here is to play the race card, a black man would have no innate right to your cake either. A cake is not a right.
    So do you or do you not support public accommodation laws protecting race and religion? Dont whine about the race card. Nobody ****ing called you racist. It's an example to demonstrate the point: people are in favor of public accommodation laws, except when those laws protect someone they dislike.

    What was "special order" about this cake you speak of? And which cake was it, there has been more than one bakery with this situation.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No they do not. If I had requested a hail satan cake from the bakery, do you think they'd be out of business now? They would have refused to make that special order cake, it would be against their religious practices. No, the fact is that the application of that particular law in that particular case infringed upon the property and labor rights of the business owner for the convenience of the customer to not have to walk across the street to another bakery.

    These universal arguments of yours do not apply universally.
    You're mixing apples and oranges here. What the gay couple did was want a cake like they ALREADY MAKE. They weren't asking for some "different" cake that had "Hail Satan" on it.

    That is what public accommodation laws are about. If I sell a hammer to a Christian, I am also required to sell a hammer to a Satanist.

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