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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    I support the victory, but what good does it do to embolden opponents by rubbing it in their faces?

    It's nice when victors show a little bit of poise, IMO.

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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    South Carolina started issuing SSM licenses this week. The first was issued to a female couple that one is a county councilwoman, and it was done in Charleston, SC. The first SSM ceremony was also held on the same day.

    Charleston County issues first marriage license for same-sex cou - Live5News.com | Charleston, SC | News, Weather, Sports
    thanks i knew that and its also great news!
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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    This was the 34th? I must have missed one in the last week or so. Which was the 33rd?
    Kansas, montana and SC were the last 3.

    SC happened on the 12th but a short stayed was issued until the 20 but they started issuing sooner. Technically it could be blocked by noon on the 20th.
    COLUMBIA, SC: Judges rule SC same-sex marriage ban to end Thursday | Local News | The State

    Judges rule SC same-sex marriage ban to end Thursday

    COLUMBIA, SC ó Same-sex marriage will be legal in South Carolina on Thursday afternoon unless the U.S. Supreme Court steps in to stop it.On Tuesday, a three-judge panel of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously turned down S.C. Attorney General Alan Wilsonís request to extend the Thursday noon deadline imposed by U.S. Judge Richard Gergel of Charleston. Gergel last week ruled that gay couples could get married in South Carolina under the provisions of the U.S. Constitution, but he imposed the Thursday deadline to give Wilson a chance to appeal. Wilson did. He lost. But he said he immediately will ask the U.S. Supreme Court to get involved.

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    In a separate decision Tuesday, U.S. Judge Michelle Childs of Columbia upheld a Lexington County lesbian coupleís bid to get legal recognition from the state of South Carolina for their out-of-state marriage.The couple, Katherine Bradacs and Tracie Goodwin, were legally married in the District of Columbia in 2012. They have three children, and their lawsuit alleged their children were adversely affected by South Carolina not acknowledging they are legally married.
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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

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    Reporting the every step is so gay.
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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I support the victory, but what good does it do to embolden opponents by rubbing it in their faces?

    It's nice when victors show a little bit of poise, IMO.
    "rubbing it in their faces"
    whos doing this? thats very specific, celebrating equal rights is not rubbing it in their faces
    not to mention typically opponents are equal in terms of the contest, game etc and there is already respect

    technically a rapist is an opponent to the woman trying not to be raped but i wouldn't view it as real opponents
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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    J-Mac, I'm so surprised you'd have nothing of relevance to say on this topic. Does it not bother you that there is yet another threat to the sanctity of marriage? The gays are getting their way. Christians must squash their agenda before they manage to turn every good man and woman into a raging sinner.
    Nah, it doesn't bother me much. I think I've been pretty consistent for some time now on saying that I don't really care what someone else does behind their own closed doors. Nor do I see it as a threat to my own marriage if they want to enter into that contract.

    My objections are more along the lines of forcing those who do have other objections to do things they object to. Like the baker baking them a cake. There are plenty of bakery's in any town, and of all types. If one business doesn't want the money, I am sure another will, that's the free market.

    Also, the recent flap out west forcing the two wedding chapel owners to marry a gay couple against their religious beliefs. They could have found another place to do it that would have had no problems with it, instead they had to cause a problem.

    It is this type of 'in your face' force that turns people off about this sort of thing. But thank you so much for once again proving that zealots of any stripe tend to just paint everyone with the same broad brush, even when they themselves don't like it when done to themselves.
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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My objections are more along the lines of forcing those who do have other objections to do things they object to. Like the baker baking them a cake. There are plenty of bakery's in any town, and of all types. If one business doesn't want the money, I am sure another will, that's the free market.

    Also, the recent flap out west forcing the two wedding chapel owners to marry a gay couple against their religious beliefs. They could have found another place to do it that would have had no problems with it, instead they had to cause a problem.

    It is this type of 'in your face' force that turns people off about this sort of thing.
    simply solution to all those examples, if those business owners would have chosen not to break the laws and rules that apply to us all and be criminals then there would be no issue. It wasnt to smart to think they could break laws and rules as they see fit and infringe on the rights of others. nobody to blame but thier own poor decision making.

    So in reality theres no in your face issue there just poor judgment to break the law and rules.
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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    simply solution to all those examples, if those business owners would have chosen not to break the laws and rules that apply to us all and be criminals then there would be no issue. It wasnt to smart to think they could break laws and rules as they see fit and infringe on the rights of others. nobody to blame but thier own poor decision making.

    So in reality theres no in your face issue there just poor judgment to break the law and rules.
    Your rhetoric in demonizing these people is over the top.
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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Your rhetoric in demonizing these people is over the top.
    no rhetoric nor did i demonize them its all accurate.
    did they choose to break the laws and rules that apply to us all? yes
    does that make them criminals? yes
    is it smart a smart choice/decision to break the law and violate the rights of others? no

    these are simply realities and facts, theres no demonization at all unless you are creating it in your own head.

    If you disagree simply point it out and support your claim of demonization.
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    Re: Federal judge overturns Montana's ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    simply solution to all those examples, if those business owners would have chosen not to break the laws and rules that apply to us all and be criminals then there would be no issue. It wasnt to smart to think they could break laws and rules as they see fit and infringe on the rights of others. nobody to blame but thier own poor decision making.

    So in reality theres no in your face issue there just poor judgment to break the law and rules.
    No, it's the one-way street. I'm all for same sex marriage and allowing everyone their equal rights; but that means recognizing the equal rights of everyone. You do not have the right to another person's property or labor, so you cannot justly and morally force someone to sell you a cake if they do not want to sell you their cake. It's not yours, you have no right for it, none of your rights are violated if you do not obtain the cake.

    Appeal to authority makes bad arguments, so for this thread it's probably best to leave those arguments behind and just focus on the overturning of another same sex marriage ban.
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