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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Preferential tax breaks are still picking winners and losers.
    Like tax breaks the wind industry gets?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Here you go:
    Roll Call Vote
    I noticed that a lot of the Democrat "no" votes were made by those who were just voted out in the midterms, and that seemed odd to me, because I read that the public is in favor of the pipeline. Was it a personal conviction on their part, or some other reason? I understand that you can't read minds, but since it will probably pass at some point why vote no now?

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    What tax breaks does the oil industry get that other industries do not?
    A Brief History of Big Tax Breaks for Oil Companies | Mother Jones
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Like tax breaks the wind industry gets?
    Apparently only those ones are bad.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It's still ****ed up that 59 votes doesn't mean something is passed, no matter what the issue.
    What difference does it make when the president vetos it?

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    No question the messaging campaign from Dems has been horrendous.,
    Cotton showed that in Arkansas by lying about social security and Pryor letting him get away with it.

    Yet Dems are sticking with the top three idiots they have as albatrosses around our necks--Reid, Pelosi and DWS.
    Only Dems like Dean are capable of turning this party inside out.
    And just wait for the rhetorical knives to come out from DP Republicans over anyone I suggest.

    You are aware that we now have DP posters who now identify as Republicans again, right ?
    yeah, every time Pelosi and Reid spew their partisan drivel, i am happy that i don't have to carry water for a political party. i understand that there are political realities that i can't see from the outside, but there is also historical precedence. 2008 was a perfect time for another New Deal or Great Society type structured program. however, they didn't package it correctly. hindsight, and all.

    i will say that the stimulus helped to keep me from going broke, namely, the COBRA part. i got ****canned from my grant work right as the economy tanked, and it would have been hard to pay the ridiculous premiums to keep my health insurance plan. then i got sick from the stress, and i finally realized how ****ed up our health care delivery system is. was a bit of a turning point for me, politically.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I noticed that a lot of the Democrat "no" votes were made by those who were just voted out in the midterms, and that seemed odd to me, because I read that the public is in favor of the pipeline. Was it a personal conviction on their part, or some other reason? I understand that you can't read minds, but since it will probably pass at some point why vote no now?
    They voted no, because they are against the pipeline. Just because they were voted out, that doesn't mean their political life is over. What would you do in that situation?


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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    The Democrats have demonstrated some of the poorest politicking and messaging in recent memory. They have given the public no clear plan at a time when that is exactly what the voters want. This has only been trumped by the most histrionic hyperpartisanship that I have seen in my lifetime on the part of the Republicans. And that includes impeaching Clinton for a blow job. ****, the idiots on the left even made a snuff film about Bush. How do you top that?

    Unreal.
    And while the two major parties were playing their hyper-partisanship they have been shrinking while the independents have been rising. Since you mentioned Bill Clinton, here are the party affiliation numbers since 1990:

    Year…Dem…Rep…Ind…Ind.Lean.Dem….Ind.Lean.Rep…..True .Ind
    1990…38……30…..32
    1995…32……32…..36
    2000…34……30…..36
    2005…34……33……30………..14…………………....8…………………8
    2010…32……33…..34………..12……………………15…………………7
    2011…30……27…..42………..18……………………15…………………9
    2012…35……30…..33………..16……………………12…………………5
    2013…30……24….44………..14…………………..18………………..13
    2014…28……28….41………..13…………………..19………………….9…..As of November 9, 2014

    This is the first time since when records of party affiliation/identification began to be kept that both major parties have been below 30%. Now the Republicans have been below 30% numerous times, but never the Democratic Party. Not until now.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Whatever the senate repubs would give up in return would be nixed by the repubs in the house.
    then you take it to the American people, and sell a compromise.

    or you at least try to do that.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    And while the two major parties were playing their hyper-partisanship they have been shrinking while the independents have been rising. Since you mentioned Bill Clinton, here are the party affiliation numbers since 1990:

    Year…Dem…Rep…Ind…Ind.Lean.Dem….Ind.Lean.Rep…..True .Ind
    1990…38……30…..32
    1995…32……32…..36
    2000…34……30…..36
    2005…34……33……30………..14…………………....8…………………8
    2010…32……33…..34………..12……………………15…………………7
    2011…30……27…..42………..18……………………15…………………9
    2012…35……30…..33………..16……………………12…………………5
    2013…30……24….44………..14…………………..18………………..13
    2014…28……28….41………..13…………………..19………………….9…..As of November 9, 2014

    This is the first time since when records of party affiliation/identification began to be kept that both major parties have been below 30%. Now the Republicans have been below 30% numerous times, but never the Democratic Party. Not until now.
    the choices are pretty poor. the best thing we can do would be to eliminate gerrymandering nationwide and to ease ballot access restrictions. unfortunately, the only people who can do that are the ones who would lose the most if the effort was actually successful.

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