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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Why nuclear? It's massively subsidized and has incredible risks, see, Fukushima.
    So tsunamis coupled with massive earthquakes are an 'incredible risk' in North America? I don't think so.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    you have to pick your battles, and this one is a stupid hill to die on. politics is give and take. give them their useless pipeline and fifty jobs or whatever, and let's build more wind farms and nuclear power plants in exchange. seems like a good trade.
    Fifty or so jobs? I found a link that says there will be a great many more. Where did you get your information? The Keystone Pipeline Would Create Thousands Of Jobs - Forbes

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So tsunamis coupled with massive earthquakes are an 'incredible risk' in North America? I don't think so.
    You surely don't believe that the only possible cause of a nuclear meltdown is a tsunami, do you? And can you point to anyone before Fukushima who though those reactors were in a risky location?

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Fifty or so jobs? I found a link that says there will be a great many more. Where did you get your information? The Keystone Pipeline Would Create Thousands Of Jobs - Forbes
    i was being sarcastic. i don't know how many permanent jobs it's going to create. the liberal hacks say fifty. the conservative hacks act like it's going to be fifty thousand.

    additionally, i don't care. i want you guys to get your pipeline for just one reason : i'm sick of hearing the right wing complain about it.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Why nuclear? It's massively subsidized and has incredible risks, see, Fukushima. I live very near a nuclear plant and don't actually have a problem with it - I'd trade more nuclear plants for coal, or fracking in my back yard, but I'd rather we spend subsidies on less dangerous forms of renewable energy. I certainly see no reason to PREFER nuclear over the others.

    If the nearby plant is hit by a domestic or foreign terrorist, I'm in big trouble, and the area just a few miles from me will be wasteland for a generation or two, and who knows how far the river it sits on will take the nuclear fallout or what the long term effects will be for many miles downstream. Etc.
    Nuclear really isn't that dangerous.

    Some radiation numbers

    As far as nuclear disasters go, the fukushima death toll currently stands at 0. Predictions of future deaths range from 0-100-1000 (the 1000 being a non peer reviewed guesstimate). On the other hand, the worst hydroelectric power accident was Banquiao Damn, which caused 200,000 deaths, eclipsing even Chernobyl.

    In terms of domestic terrorism, reactor grade fuel isn't enriched enough to be weaponized. Proper enriched stuff would be incredibly difficult to get a hold of. As far as the fallout from such an accident, living in a house 10 miles from Three Mile Island during the accident endows a similar radiation dosage as living in a brick house for a year. It's unlikely terrorists could turn the area surrounding a nuclear plant into a wasteland, their best bet would probably be getting hold of waste materials and pouring them into the water supply, note that the only suitable materials here would be high level waste, which accounts for less than 1% of a reactors total waste (95% of reactor waste is low level waste, which are things like cups and plates that have been used onsite). This would probably increase cancer rates over a number of years, hardly the impact terrorists go for (of course, the terrorists themselves would die awfully painful deaths due to the high doses when retrieving/opening the waste).

    Renewable is great in theory but realistically doesn't provide enough to replace fossil fuels.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This issue is dead until the next Congress in sworn in. Will Obama Veto the legislation or sign it?

    WASHINGTON Senate Democrats on Tuesday defeated a bill, 59 to 41, that would have approved the construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline, rebuffing a Democratic colleague, Senator Mary L. Landrieu of Louisiana, who had hoped to muscle the legislation through in advance of her uphill runoff election fight back home.

    Forty Democrats and Angus King, independent of Maine, voted against the bill, with just 14 Democrats joining all 45 Republicans in support of the oil pipeline.

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    It will be approved when the Republican senate takes over.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You surely don't believe that the only possible cause of a nuclear meltdown is a tsunami, do you? And can you point to anyone before Fukushima who though those reactors were in a risky location?
    No, i do not think so. I'm just going by the example you presented as an "incredible risk", which I believe to be nonsense.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i was being sarcastic. i don't know how many permanent jobs it's going to create. the liberal hacks say fifty. the conservative hacks act like it's going to be fifty thousand.

    additionally, i don't care. i want you guys to get your pipeline for just one reason : i'm sick of hearing the right wing complain about it.
    It's difficult to tell when leftists are being sarcastic or simply expressing their seriously held views.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's difficult to tell when leftists are being sarcastic or simply expressing their seriously held views.
    i'll take your word for it.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'll take your word for it.
    And so you should.

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