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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    No it isn't.

    I have a friend that is in the oil clean up business. He told me anyone that tells you oil doesn't do damage to our environment is either making lots of money off of oil or is naive.
    I have a cousin in the psych biz and she says people often get all worked up over nothing.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You seem to be unaware of the safety standards on modern pipelines and your claim of "100's of miles in all directions for decades" is hysterical hyperbole.
    The oil industry isn't exactly known for safety standard compliance nor will they be until the consequences for the disasters resulting from non-compliance are made more severe. Unfortunately we live in a society in which shareholders are protected more than the communities they operate in and impact.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    What I want to know is, why did Harry Reid schedule the vote just to publicly humiliate Mary Landrieu and hang her out to dry.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    What I want to know is, why did Harry Reid schedule the vote just to publicly humiliate Mary Landrieu and hang her out to dry.
    I think dingy thought it would pass and help her. It didn't and she is screwed blued and Landrieud



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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    if they don't build it here, they'll just build it somewhere else.
    Then let them. We do not need to risk the main water source for millions of people and billions in industry for 30 permanent jobs on a resource that will run out. We can grow crops in the grain belt indefinitely. We cannot drill for oil in Canada's tar sands indefinitely. The oil will run out, those jobs will end and we may have destroyed the livelihoods and food security for millions in the process. That is as bad deal. Short term growth that risks long term sustainability is not a good plan. You should look up TransCanada's construction quality. It's not good. And the water table that the proposed pipeline passes over is right under the surface in many places. A tiny drop of crude can contaminate millions of gallons. And that water feeds the billions of dollars of agriculture in the area annually.

    oil is a finite resource, and will eventually be obsolete. my position is that we should utilize the existing political dynamic to hasten that obsolescence. trading the inevitable outcome for gains in renewable and nuclear technologies seems to be the best path forward.
    I agree with you on that, but Canada has proven that it can move that oil by rail and by truck. It doesn't need the pipeline. And as long as Saudi Arabia maintains its low oil pricing to hurt Iran (and possibly Shale oil in America), Tar Sands and the pipeline become less economical to them. If there was no other way to move it, then yes we should build it, but Canada has done a good job moving that oil as we dragged our feet. What pushes me even more against the pipeline is that the native tribes in Canada are essentially stopping a West coast export terminal that runs another Valdez risk. So Harper is pushing an Eastern export terminal which is a tad bit more environmentally sound. Canada's got this down, so let's let them handle it in their territory.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Nearly certain? That can also mean nearly uncertain.

    You seem to be unaware of the safety standards on modern pipelines and your claim of "100's of miles in all directions for decades" is hysterical hyperbole.
    Yes, that would be about right.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Even if i concede your point, so what? It still ignores the underlying premise of my reply.

    Subsidies for fossil fuels (profitable) are lager than alternatives (less profitable). <--- A second point, to which you may chose to address, but do not need to because it renders your entire POV moot.
    If you think that we are going to abandon traditional energy any time soon, you're dreaming.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    They have every right to be, it's a direct violation of the treaties.


    Yes, it is..

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    You underestimate Sen. Landrieu--she's already won two of these run-offs.
    Cassidy is a cowardly clown who agreed to only one debate for a reason.
    Listening to him is painful even for GOPs.
    Let's see how well her brother Mayor Landrieu gets out the New Orleans vote.
    Women will reject the all-out bullying of her by the GOP clown car .

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think dingy thought it would pass and help her. It didn't and she is screwed blued and Landrieud
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Psych or oil ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I have a cousin in the psych biz and she says people often get all worked up over nothing.
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