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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the orginal purpose of the senate is to place a check on federal power, and the block collective legislation of the house.
    It's purpose was also to give the States a voice in the Federal government. The people have a voice in the House, States had a voice in the Senate.

    But then the progressives decided that they were smarter than the founders and decided that the States, who gave rise to the Federal government, should not have a voice anymore. No we have situations where the State is for something, and both their Senators vote against it! The brilliance of the left at work.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Too bad there isn't a loyal opposition on the other side willing to deal as you've mentioned.
    Hasn't been since the night Obama was elected, as you well know .
    Well, really hasn't been since George W. Bush was elected, truth be told.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Subsidy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It's a common practice far beyond the oil industry.
    So? Someone asked what susidues the oil companies get and I provided a link. I might add that no corporation rakes in the record profits year after year the oil companies do.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    We already subsidize the oil industry. My point was that it was dumb to nix the pipeline, as it could be used as a bargaining chip. Do you need for me to clarify further?
    You know, that word "subsidize" just seems wrong. Are thieves and muggers who do not rob me subsidizing me? I don't think so.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    No I was referring to if you put an attractive sounding name on a piece of legislation, it makes it hard for people to vote against it--Like No Child Left Behind.
    But that makes no sense that using Obama's name would make it more attractive to vote for in a hyperpartisan congress.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    thats not really a defeat,its more of didnt recieve a filibuster proof majority or veto proof majority,or even a reid proof majority.
    Sure it is and the outcome is the same.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    But that makes no sense that using Obama's name would make it more attractive to vote for in a hyperpartisan congress.
    The GOP would have voted for oil and the dems would have voted for the name.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    then obama will be put on the spotlight,good or bad,he wont be protected from reid anymore.he will be required to either veto or comprimise,and if hes smart,he would do like clinton and comprimise,which was beneficial to clinton.
    Why would he care? He's not running again is he?

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Oh stop. You haven't been protecting them from anything. The pipeline will be perfectly safe. The objection to the pipeline is based upon ideology, not reason. Its about the lefts irrational hatred of fossil fuel not some wish to protect us all from a pipeline. Seriously. Why cant you liberals just be honest about something.
    You're right there is no history of pipelines failing and they last forever. What was I thinking?

    PHMSA - Pipeline Failure Investigation Reports

    List of pipeline accidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Are you also forgetting the land that will be taken by eminent domain for a paultry 50 permanent jobs?

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    It's not just Canada oil that'll go through that pipeline. North Dakota oil will too. That's America benefiting.
    And it too will be shipped overseas!

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