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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I'm a long game guy. I'd rather hold onto what we got, and let everyone sell theirs. We'll see how hot Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, UAE, etc are when they've blown through their oil money, they have no other economy, and we're sitting on the biggest oil reserves in the world.
    and if we don't prepare for the inevitable, then what?

    when i was in grad school, i learned that the best thing to do was to study well in advance of the test, before there was an immediate need. we should be doing the same.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

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    and if we don't prepare for the inevitable, then what?

    when i was in grad school, i learned that the best thing to do was to study well in advance of the test, before there was an immediate need. we should be doing the same.
    Oh, no I agree. We should be diversifying our energy sources immediately. But oil can be valuable, even if we weren't using it primarily for energy.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And therefore, in essence, Canada is using eminent domain to take away land from our farmers, ranchers and other landowners.
    Wonder why they don't go through their own Rockies or build out to New Brunswick.
    There's no way Canadian people would allow that .
    THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE ALREADY EXISTS! They just don't exist as fully proposed. There is already a pipeline coming out of Alberta to Oklahoma. Just this year they finished another section that hooks Oklahoma up with Texas and went into operation this January. The only part that needs completed is the line from Alberta through Montana and North Dakota where there is already a big oil boom. It will allow oil from these states to get their product to the refineries in Texas.

    Keystone XL Pipeline | StateImpact Texas

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE ALREADY EXISTS! They just don't exist as fully proposed. There is already a pipeline coming out of Alberta to Oklahoma. Just this year they finished another section that hooks Oklahoma up with Texas and went into operation this January. The only part that needs completed is the line from Alberta through Montana and North Dakota where there is already a big oil boom. It will allow oil from these states to get their product to the refineries in Texas.

    Keystone XL Pipeline | StateImpact Texas
    It isn't so much the refineries in Texas, but the Gulf of Mexico that facilitates shipping the refined oil to the rest of the planet.


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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Apparently only those ones are bad.
    Well, the only tax breaks you bitch about is the one that the oil companies get. Wind companies don't even pay taxes. But, that's ok with you, huh?
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It isn't so much the refineries in Texas, but the Gulf of Mexico that facilitates shipping the refined oil to the rest of the planet.
    That too but Oklahoma is rich with refineries as is Texas.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    A tree hugger website? No wonder you believe it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Oh, no I agree. We should be diversifying our energy sources immediately. But oil can be valuable, even if we weren't using it primarily for energy.
    agreed, as long as we accept that it is a finite resource, and that failing to prepare for its scarcity would be a major mistake for our nation.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Let the Canadians go through their pristine Rockies or build a port off the pristine coast in New Brunswick.
    This is why they haven't gone there so far--because of their own environmentalists and eminent domain.

    They even tried to go through pristine Northwestern Maine to Portland, Maine with the help of the reelected idiot Gov. LePage but that was thwarted also .

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    if they don't build it here, they'll just build it somewhere else.

    oil is a finite resource, and will eventually be obsolete. my position is that we should utilize the existing political dynamic to hasten that obsolescence. trading the inevitable outcome for gains in renewable and nuclear technologies seems to be the best path forward.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    challenging websites--we haven't seen that on DP for a while .
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    A tree hugger website? No wonder you believe it.
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