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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    By using eminent domain the oil company is requesting that the state interfere on its behalf for force property owners to sell to them.
    Like I said, that is a legitimate beef, but no one is really making that argument. It might be because the country is already a web of pipelines and roadways and rail lines and wires.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    And therefore, in essence, Canada is using eminent domain to take away land from our farmers, ranchers and other landowners.
    Wonder why they don't go through their own Rockies or build out to New Brunswick.
    There's no way Canadian people would allow that .

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    By using eminent domain the oil company is requesting that the state interfere on its behalf for force property owners to sell to them.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

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    Lol. Actually I am pretty good at labeling liberals for what they are.
    No. No you are not. You are terrible at it. You are just doing blanket BS to demonize your opposition and it's not only beyond disingenuous it's very very ignorant.

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    If you think liberals give a crap about property rights, you haven't been paying attention. Liberalism cannot exist if the state secures to each that which is rightfully his own. You cant rob Peter to pay Paul without first discarding the idea that Peter has any right to his property.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Lol. Actually I am pretty good at labeling liberals for what they are.
    And I'm pretty good at labeling nonsensical Conservatives for what they are.
    If you think liberals give a crap about property rights, you haven't been paying attention.
    Liberals don't want to destroy the environment like far-right conservatives do.
    I'd call that caring about property rights and giving a crap and you're obviously not paying attention, intentionally or not.
    Liberalism cannot exist if the state secures to each that which is rightfully his own.
    More TEA-party moronic nonsense.
    You cant rob Peter to pay Paul without first discarding the idea that Peter has any right to his property.
    But you were quite okay with this last decade when Bush did it .
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Like I said, that is a legitimate beef, but no one is really making that argument. It might be because the country is already a web of pipelines and roadways and rail lines and wires.
    It might be due to the fact that a company using eminent domain is hardly something media and entertainment industry does stories on.So its not even in most people's radar and if you asked most what eminent domain is they would probably think it was video game.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And therefore, in essence, Canada is using eminent domain to take away land from our farmers, ranchers and other landowners.
    Wonder why they don't go through their own Rockies or build out to New Brunswick.
    There's no way Canadian people would allow that .
    This goes to show how unpatriotic many republicans are since they are okay with a foreign owned company taking land away from Americans.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Helix.

    It's apparently been forgotten somewhere along the line that "compromise" is a good word, and it should be revived! This "my way or the highway" thinking has not worked to keep people happy - rather the opposite! With compromise everyone wins something, and it can truthfully be shouted from the rooftops - by both sides! What's wrong with that? Business and unions do it all the time, and it works. WTH is wrong with our current elected leaders in DC today?
    hello, Polgara, and i hope that you are doing well.

    my fear is that a significant percentage of the problem is us. hyperpartisan politicians are generally guided by their local electorates. however, there's a chance that we can fix it, or that the the political climate will correct itself through necessity.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    The real comedy is that the GOPs don't recognize that the judge's decision that is still out in Nebraska is over eminent domain.
    Brought to the court by local landowners in Nebraska.
    This KXL exercise is just an end-run around a court decision that has yet to be made.
    And disingenuous or knowledge-challenged GOPs continue to spout that eminent domain is not what is being argued .

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This goes to show how unpatriotic many republicans are since they are okay with a foreign owned company taking land away from Americans.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I would have agreed a few years ago, but the risk to the main source of water for America's farmland and millions of people is not worth it. Especially when Canada has proven that it can move the oil by rail and truck successfully on its own. The same reason I'm against the Pebble Mine in Alaska is the same reason I'm against the pipeline. Farm land and fisheries will provide productive jobs and resources long after the oil and gold are gone. Plus, this pipeline will result in maybe 30 permanent jobs. That is not worth risking the billions of dollars of agriculture and related jobs from contamination of the aquifer.
    if they don't build it here, they'll just build it somewhere else.

    oil is a finite resource, and will eventually be obsolete. my position is that we should utilize the existing political dynamic to hasten that obsolescence. trading the inevitable outcome for gains in renewable and nuclear technologies seems to be the best path forward.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    if they don't build it here, they'll just build it somewhere else.

    oil is a finite resource, and will eventually be obsolete. my position is that we should utilize the existing political dynamic to hasten that obsolescence. trading the inevitable outcome for gains in renewable and nuclear technologies seems to be the best path forward.
    I'm a long game guy. I'd rather hold onto what we got, and let everyone sell theirs. We'll see how hot Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, UAE, etc are when they've blown through their oil money, they have no other economy, and we're sitting on the biggest oil reserves in the world.
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