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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As long as they are using eminent domain then I hope the bill continues to fail,hopefully long enough for Canadians to decide to start processing their own oil.Its a shame that most republicans have their lips firmly wrapped around the cocks of big business to not give a **** about property rights.
    Well said James.


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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    thats not really a defeat,its more of didnt recieve a filibuster proof majority or veto proof majority,or even a reid proof majority.
    It's a defeat, for the time being. You can bet the house will pass it again next year and most likely the senate will pass it. But that is not guaranteed

    .00 Democrats who voted AYE on the Keystone

    Dem Aye Replaced by Republican Aye
    Begich AK
    Hagan NC
    Landrieu LA
    Pryor AR
    Walsh MT

    But will these Democrats vote AYE again next year
    Donnelly IN
    Heitkamp ND
    Manchin WV
    McCaskill Mo
    Tester MT
    Warner VA

    On the plus side Harkin of IA voted Nay, Ernst who is replacing him will vote AYE, the same for Udall of Colorado who is being replaced by Gardner, Johnson of SD nay will be replaced with an AYE from Rounds and Rockefellers Nay in West Virginia will be replace by an Aye from Capito.

    So the Keystone should have 57 votes in January. The GOP will need 3 of the 6 Democrats who voted AYE in order to reach 60. I do not see 4 of them changing their vote, although one or two might. Keystone will pass the senate. But there is no way to get to 67 if the president veto’s it. 63 as I see it is the max.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    He only wants to kill the 17th amendment because more than 30 some state legislatures are GOP.
    And would pick the Senators--he doesn't tell you that .

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    False choice narrative. You make is seem if I don't believe in repealing the 17th amendment then there is absolutely NO other alternative to what is going on right now. We can have what we have now AND kill the filibuster. Its not like killing the 17th amendment assures the killing of the filibuster either.

    Hell if we are going to do some merry wish-making for shakeup... I say kill the house districts and make it a parliament. Keep the senate and kill the filibuster. Gerrymandering is then therefore dead and third parties will have a foothold in it's proportional representation that looks a helluvalot more like the people it represents than the crap we have now.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Support for the pipeline is based on ideology, not reason.

    If you think not... put your reasons for support here:
    Support for the pipeline is based upon the idea that human life and human activity relies upon the availability of affordable energy. In short: it exists, we need it, and have the ability to refine it into a useable substance. And the there is no argument that doing so is against the national interest. If anti-progress liberals like you and Obama were around and in charge when the first oil well was drilled, you would have sought to have it capped.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Who in their state would direct them on how to vote?
    the state legislatures, and since the states control the senate, it is no longer a collective body as the house.

    collective bodies are full of faction/ special interest.

    that is not to say there not going to be corruption in government be it federal or state, however since i know corruption exist i want it as close to the people as possible, because it is easier to expose and correct the problem, then 3000 miles away.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    This would be two decades later.
    The GOPs in DC have no intention of working with Obama as they had to with Clinton after election losses.
    The GOP actions over the last six years are proof positive that this is all-out electioneering war .
    not quite,the democrats have refused comprimise since reid became majority leader,the only logical question is who started the game of no,and why you feel its ok when your party is the party of no but demonize the other party for the same.


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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    He only wants to kill the 17th amendment because more than 30 some state legislatures are GOP.
    And would pick the Senators--he doesn't tell you that .
    I was aware of that but what I'm trying to get down to is that he says you cannot lobby a senator with a 17th repeal. I'm trying to find the way he thinks they will vote to represent their state and have him prove that there is no way that lobby money can't infect the senatorial system. I can't believe that it won't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    We have the 17th because state legislatures were terminally Gerry-mandered in the late 1800s and both parties in the Progress--ive era saw that this was wrong.
    Without the 17th right now, GOPs would have over 70 Senators due to their Gerry-mandered state remaps.
    Obviously, the GM'd House isn't enough for the GOP as they further attempt to polarize DC .

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    yeah... no. I like electing my senators.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I oppose the pipeline because I actually respect the property rights of the land owners.
    You might actually be able to make a rational case on those grounds. Too bad that isn't the case that is being made. It might be interesting to see how it would play out.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    A law would have to be passed and the GOP will never allow that .
    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I was aware of that but what I'm trying to get down to is that he says you cannot lobby a senator with a 17th repeal. I'm trying to find the way he thinks they will vote to represent their state and have him prove that there is no way that lobby money can't infect the senatorial system. I can't believe that it won't.
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