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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Oh stop. You haven't been protecting them from anything. The pipeline will be perfectly safe. The objection to the pipeline is based upon ideology, not reason. Its about the lefts irrational hatred of fossil fuel not some wish to protect us all from a pipeline. Seriously. Why cant you liberals just be honest about something.
    Support for the pipeline is based on ideology, not reason.

    If you think not... put your reasons for support here:
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    False choice narrative. You make is seem if I don't believe in repealing the 17th amendment then there is absolutely NO other alternative to what is going on right now. We can have what we have now AND kill the filibuster. Its not like killing the 17th amendment assures the killing of the filibuster either.

    Hell if we are going to do some merry wish-making for shakeup... I say kill the house districts and make it a parliament. Keep the senate and kill the filibuster.
    senators cannot be lobbied per 17th...

    states control the senate, not the senators....so those actions the states want will get passed by the senate.

    senators before the 17th rarely ever see a 2nd or 3rd term in office...built in term limits.

    senate would return to a check on federal power over reach.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As long as they are using eminent domain then I hope the bill continues to fail,hopefully long enough for Canadians to decide to start processing their own oil.Its a shame that most republicans have their lips firmly wrapped around the cocks of big business to not give a **** about property rights.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    senators cannot be lobbied per 17th...

    states control the senate, not the senators....so those actions the states want will get passed by the senate.

    senators before the 17th rarely ever see a 2nd or 3rd term in office...built in term limits.

    senate would return to a check on federal power over reach.
    You'd have to tell the SCOTUS and their belief that money is speech and therefore stopping lobbying is against the first amendment.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Oh stop. You haven't been protecting them from anything. The pipeline will be perfectly safe. The objection to the pipeline is based upon ideology, not reason. Its about the lefts irrational hatred of fossil fuel not some wish to protect us all from a pipeline. Seriously. Why cant you liberals just be honest about something.
    I oppose the pipeline because I actually respect the property rights of the land owners.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    This would be two decades later.
    The GOPs in DC have no intention of working with Obama as they had to with Clinton after election losses.
    The GOP actions over the last six years are proof positive that this is all-out electioneering war .

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    then obama will be put on the spotlight,good or bad,he wont be protected from reid anymore.he will be required to either veto or comprimise,and if hes smart,he would do like clinton and comprimise,which was beneficial to clinton.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    You'd have to tell the SCOTUS and their belief that money is speech and therefore stopping lobbying is against the first amendment.
    senators are not independent pre 17th as they are today, they have to vote according to how their state directs them to vote.....they cannot be lobbied.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    The judge hasn't even ruled in Nebraska yet.
    Something that GOPs normally fight for.
    Not to mention how GOPs are normally against the excesses of eminent domain .

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I oppose the pipeline because I actually respect the property rights of the land owners.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    senators are not independent pre 17th as they are today, they have to vote according to how their state directs them to vote.....they cannot be lobbied.
    Who in their state would direct them on how to vote?
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    then you take it to the American people, and sell a compromise.

    or you at least try to do that.
    Greetings, Helix.

    It's apparently been forgotten somewhere along the line that "compromise" is a good word, and it should be revived! This "my way or the highway" thinking has not worked to keep people happy - rather the opposite! With compromise everyone wins something, and it can truthfully be shouted from the rooftops - by both sides! What's wrong with that? Business and unions do it all the time, and it works. WTH is wrong with our current elected leaders in DC today?

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