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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    I don't really have a problem with the KXL going through our country because it goes through all RED states.
    Let those folks find out what we've been trying to protect tem from since they'll never vote for us.

    Yet here in Illinois, GOP farmers are fighting an oil pipeline from the QUAD-Cities to Indiana.
    I believe it's called the NIMBY effect .

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Ok folks who support the Keystone... Here's where I ask why. Why do you support the keystone pipeline? What is the reason(s)?

    I mean this rabid support can't be for the whole 50 full time jobs it provides after its constructed.
    It can't be for the gas prices because it won't effect the prices at the pump at all.

    Why do you want a pipeline constructed that puts our land at risk so that a Canadian oil company can pipe their oil across our land so that they can sell it to other countries? Where in all this does your support foster?
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    OK, but since it can determine the Rules of its Proceedings, thats not doing to happen, want to see a real shake up in the senate, repeal the 17th.
    yeah... no. I like electing my senators.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This issue is dead until the next Congress in sworn in. Will Obama Veto the legislation or sign it?

    WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats on Tuesday defeated a bill, 59 to 41, that would have approved the construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline, rebuffing a Democratic colleague, Senator Mary L. Landrieu of Louisiana, who had hoped to muscle the legislation through in advance of her uphill runoff election fight back home.

    Forty Democrats and Angus King, independent of Maine, voted against the bill, with just 14 Democrats joining all 45 Republicans in support of the oil pipeline.

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    The Democratic Senators threw Landrieu under the bus. Sucks to be her. I guess she just didn't have the support from Harry that she thought she had.

    So, it's certain the Republicans will pass a bill early next year. Then the ball will be in Obama's court. He'll veto or he won't. In my opinion, he won't veto it...especially if it gets any number of Democrat supporters.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    yeah... no. I like electing my senators.
    then be content in the rule making, the lobbying, and the power and greed concentrated in that body.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And it will be vetoed in the new year .
    then obama will be put on the spotlight,good or bad,he wont be protected from reid anymore.he will be required to either veto or comprimise,and if hes smart,he would do like clinton and comprimise,which was beneficial to clinton.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    McConnell owns the all-time records for the filibuster for each of the last six years.
    The latest "hell no" caucus belongs to the Liberal Dems in the Senate.

    McConnell poisoned this well--if his caucus pushes too hard, he'll reap what he has sewn..
    As he did last decade by being the first to ever raise the possibility of the "nuclear option" .

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Not really. The filibuster was barely ever used for the bulk of the time the country existed. That didn't make both houses the same at all. Their constituents are vastly different. Small districts vs entire states.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I don't really have a problem with the KXL going through our country because it goes through all RED states.
    Let those folks find out what we've been trying to protect tem from since they'll never vote for us.
    Oh stop. You haven't been protecting them from anything. The pipeline will be perfectly safe. The objection to the pipeline is based upon ideology, not reason. Its about the lefts irrational hatred of fossil fuel not some wish to protect us all from a pipeline. Seriously. Why cant you liberals just be honest about something.

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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    then be content in the rule making, the lobbying, and the power and greed concentrated in that body.
    False choice narrative. You make is seem if I don't believe in repealing the 17th amendment then there is absolutely NO other alternative to what is going on right now. We can have what we have now AND kill the filibuster. Its not like killing the 17th amendment assures the killing of the filibuster either.

    Hell if we are going to do some merry wish-making for shakeup... I say kill the house districts and make it a parliament. Keep the senate and kill the filibuster. Gerrymandering is then therefore dead and third parties will have a foothold in it's proportional representation that looks a helluvalot more like the people it represents than the crap we have now.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Ok folks who support the Keystone... Here's where I ask why. Why do you support the keystone pipeline? What is the reason(s)?

    I mean this rabid support can't be for the whole 50 full time jobs it provides after its constructed.
    It can't be for the gas prices because it won't effect the prices at the pump at all.

    Why do you want a pipeline constructed that puts our land at risk so that a Canadian oil company can pipe their oil across our land so that they can sell it to other countries? Where in all this does your support foster?
    It's not just Canada oil that'll go through that pipeline. North Dakota oil will too. That's America benefiting.
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    Re: Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This issue is dead until the next Congress in sworn in. Will Obama Veto the legislation or sign it?

    WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats on Tuesday defeated a bill, 59 to 41, that would have approved the construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline, rebuffing a Democratic colleague, Senator Mary L. Landrieu of Louisiana, who had hoped to muscle the legislation through in advance of her uphill runoff election fight back home.

    Forty Democrats and Angus King, independent of Maine, voted against the bill, with just 14 Democrats joining all 45 Republicans in support of the oil pipeline.

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    Senate Narrowly Defeats Keystone XL Pipeline
    As long as they are using eminent domain then I hope the bill continues to fail,hopefully long enough for Canadians to decide to start processing their own oil.Its a shame that most republicans have their lips firmly wrapped around the cocks of big business to not give a **** about property rights.
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