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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Libertarians support gay marriage.

    The Libertarian Party platform states that "Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws."

    So no, you have it wrong. You may want to read up on how the Libertarians view SSM.
    While you as a Libertarian may support gay marriage, every time anyone has made the statement "Government out of marriage now" within the context of smm, every time I've ever looked to the left that poster's lean said "Libertarian."

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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So anyone that isn't for gay marriage is a bigot? Is that your contention?
    How else would his career be over, as you predict? To not vote for him solely because of his view on something he has no power over anyway (supreme court will decide this) and would not affect those voters even if he did sounds awfully bigoted to me.

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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    You believe there's enough conservatives who would rather Obama be president sitting out elections in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, etc?

    I somehow doubt it. The states the GOP Needs to win for electoral college votes do not have enough extreme right conservative voters
    Oh there's plenty of those in michigan believe me. They'd still show up if he was the VP pick, because odds are the prez candidate would oppose SSM or they'd both at least throw the right wing fanatics *something* they can get behind, like anti abortion. It doesn't take much to get them riled up and post "Jesus not Hillary" signs on their front yard trees.

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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Again we have a thread full of single issue voters, like SSM is the most pressing issue of our times. Terrorism, decaying economy, Putin, China, the Middle East........none of that matters as long as we get to stroll down the aisle.
    Obviously it's going to matter to gay people, which is easy to dismiss if you don't have your rights deprived in that way. The real thing you should be mocking is that anyone who is NOT affected by it at all - they don't even know anyone gay - would base their vote on this single issue. The answer of course is religious fanaticism

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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The same idiotic labeling is part of what hurt Huntsman at the start of his campaign as well. Liberals look at one or two issues, agree with the politician on that, and just decide to label said political as a "liberal" or even a "moderate" or "sane" or whatever else...ignoring the multitude of actual conservative views that make up the vast majority of their actual view points.
    right like no conservative has ever voted against someone or labelled them insane or immoral cause of their views on a single issue like gay rights, abortion, gun control, to name a few

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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    You believe there's enough conservatives who would rather Obama be president sitting out elections in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, etc?
    Well, you tell me. How many liberals were apparently willing for the Republicans to pick up the senate by sitting out the election we just went through?

    I somehow doubt it. The states the GOP Needs to win for electoral college votes do not have enough extreme right conservative voters
    You are confusing "social conservatives" with "extreme right", a common, but no less inaccurate conflation. Social Conservatism is, for example, a major path by which Republicans picked up the Reagan Democrats. George W was no "extreme right" conservative (the Tea Party has its 'roots in the conservative revolt against him), but ran and won as a social conservative.

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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    While you as a Libertarian may support gay marriage, every time anyone has made the statement "Government out of marriage now" within the context of smm, every time I've ever looked to the left that poster's lean said "Libertarian."
    Oh.

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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    right like no conservative has ever voted against someone or labelled them insane or immoral cause of their views on a single issue like gay rights, abortion, gun control, to name a few
    You're absolutely right. My post should've read "Some liberals" rather than liberals. Mistake on my part. And in no way was it meant to suggest that some conservatives aren't gungho on defining people based on singular issues (god knows its happened ot me). However, as it relates to the person that was being discussed in that post...Huntmsan...my impression was that the "liberal" and "moderate" label being applied to him was something I saw first coming from first, and in larger percentages, from liberals on this forum than conservatives. Thus the focus on that side when discussing huntsman specifically.

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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, you tell me. How many liberals were apparently willing for the Republicans to pick up the senate by sitting out the election we just went through?

    Most Americas are not extremely liberal either

    You are confusing "social conservatives" with "extreme right", a common, but no less inaccurate conflation. Social Conservatism is, for example, a major path by which Republicans picked up the Reagan Democrats. George W was no "extreme right" conservative (the Tea Party has its 'roots in the conservative revolt against him), but ran and won as a social conservative.
    Reagan used social conservatism to get elected in a far different era. Gay marriage failed everywhere it was put to a vote or court challenge at that time, now it's supported by independents and liberals and a sizable minority of conservatives
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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Oh.

    And?
    So the sentiment I see coming from Libertarians is consistently one of antipathy toward ssm rather than the support you assign to them.

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