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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    How about votes against it in an election, state or federal.
    Yes. Voting against someone else's rights based on nothing other than "I don't like it" qualifies.
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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes. Voting against someone else's rights based on nothing other than "I don't like it" qualifies.
    What conservative issues have you voted against?

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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    What conservative issues have you voted against?
    This isn't about the politics of the sides. It is about whether you are trying to prevent someone from doing something based on personal dislike of those people or without a legitimate state interest being furthered.
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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This isn't about the politics of the sides. It is about whether you are trying to prevent someone from doing something based on personal dislike of those people or without a legitimate state interest being furthered.
    Oh, but it is a political issue.

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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Oh, but it is a political issue.
    Never said it wasn't. The problem is that what makes a stance on it bigoted isn't based on a person's political party.
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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) weird what country did you two grow up in?? I learned about equal rights very young and it continued all the way through post high school

    also being taught to hate blacks isnt an excuse a to do it and doesnt make it any less sad that it would take a black man saving a persons life for it to "get real"

    theres no amount of spin you can put on it that wont make the selfish and ignorant denying of equal rights sad to me
    2.) of course they do they are examples of equal rights and other things that a person dont need to have close to the to find "real" this is the mistake you keep making but reality doesnt change for you

    3.) good for you! im glad you are a better american than some, i still find it sad that what it took. Its sad that there are people in this country in 2014 no less that need a close experience to them to appreciate and respect equal rights. It is good you learned better but it doesnt change the part i find sad.

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    SHould i not care about women's rights, rights of other religions besides my own, gay rights etc etc until they directly effect me? are they not "real" until they do?
    I grew up in the USA. New Jersey to be exact. No, they didn't teach us about gay marriage in school. I'm 52 years old. I don't know where they were teaching about gay marriage in public schools during the 1970s. I was also never taught to hate blacks so I don't know why you're mentioning that.

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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Similarly, the government can either completely ban gun ownership, or they cannot make any restriction on any weapon ownership, thus rendering privately-owned nuclear weapons legal. The world really is just black and white!!
    sort of. We do, in fact, recognize that government has a right to regulate and restrict the ownership of weapons (example: Felons are not allowed to own nuclear-armed ballistic missiles), and so the debate becomes about where to place those restrictions. Similarly, wrt marriage, you will not find much of a movement to stop the USG from being able to restrict to whom it hands marriage licenses at all; instead you get people who are arguing that we should change where restrictions are located. The problem is that they don't seem to have much of a grasp of their own position, and so they often argue with language suggesting the former (eg: "government shouldn't tell people who they can and can't marry"), rather than their actual position, which is the latter.

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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    1.)I grew up in the USA. New Jersey to be exact.
    2.) No, they didn't teach us about gay marriage in school. I'm 52 years old.
    3.) I don't know where they were teaching about gay marriage in public schools during the 1970s.
    4.) I was also never taught to hate blacks so I don't know why you're mentioning that.
    5.)You're asking me if you should care about women's rights, religious rights, etc.? That's up to you. I'm not sure why you're asking me that.
    1.) then its weird you didnt learn about equal rights
    2.) didnt ask you if they taught you about gay rights in school please stick to think that were actually said
    3.) they were definitely teaching equal rights in the 70w you must not have been paying attention
    4.) another thing i never said i used it as an example to show teaching isnt an excuse
    5.) because it destroys your theory about saying only when something is close to a person should they think it is real.

    like i said its sad that it took something personal for him to respect the equal rights of others not related to him but im glad he did it later than never
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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) then its weird you didnt learn about equal rights
    2.) didnt ask you if they taught you about gay rights in school please stick to think that were actually said
    3.) they were definitely teaching equal rights in the 70w you must not have been paying attention
    4.) another thing i never said i used it as an example to show teaching isnt an excuse
    5.) because it destroys your theory about saying only when something is close to a person should they think it is real.

    like i said its sad that it took something personal for him to respect the equal rights of others not related to him but im glad he did it later than never
    1) In what school district in the 1970s did they teach about gay marriage?
    2) You asked me what country I grew up in, as if it had some meaning
    3) Again, in what school district did they teach about gay marriage in the 1970s?
    4) If teaching about hating blacks was irrelevant, why did you bring it up
    5) I don't have any theory and never said I did; I was talking about Rob Portman and using his own words
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    Re: Gay marriage issue now linked to Ohio senator

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes. Voting against someone else's rights based on nothing other than "I don't like it" qualifies.
    That's interesting. I didn't know you were a mass-mind reader.

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