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Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

That is a fallacious argument because, with the laws on the books right now, we don't HAVE to "ruthlessly condemn" anyone. If we enforced current laws, they would leave on their own. If we secured the border, they wouldn't come back and we wouldn't get waves of more illegal immigrants.

The only thing that would be left to do is to improve and streamline the ability for people to come here LEGALLY.

Making it harder for illiegals to live would involve making it difficult for everyone to live.
 
The only thing that would be left to do is to improve and streamline the ability for people to come here LEGALLY.

Winner winner! That's exactly what needs to occur - the current process is long, expensive and the lawyers get very fat and lazy.
 
Making it harder for illiegals to live would involve making it difficult for everyone to live.

How so? How would it affect citizens and legal immigrants?
 
Winner winner! That's exactly what needs to occur - the current process is long, expensive and the lawyers get very fat and lazy.

I thought the point of those requirements was to make it long and expensive, In order to make acquriing citizenship worth somthing.
 
I thought the point of those requirements was to make it long and expensive, In order to make acquriing citizenship worth somthing.

Perhaps you're right - but it no longer applies. Either people wanting to immigrate legally have something to offer the country and vice versa - or they do not. The process needs to be streamlined so it doesn't take $20,000 + dollars and 7 years to complete the process.
 
I could have sworn that right after the election McConnell said there would be no shut-downs. Maybe I didn't read the asterisk and long list of possible exceptions. :shrug:
 
How so? How would it affect citizens and legal immigrants?

This debate is not just about the illiegals that were caught crossing the border, it is also about the ones that made it across the border and are currently living in the states.
 
This debate is not just about the illiegals that were caught crossing the border, it is also about the ones that made it across the border and are currently living in the states.

Yes, it is. Our current laws can deal with them, as well.
 
I agree that that they broke the law but I am arguing that there are mitigating circumstance that we have to take into account.

I don't agree with the veiw that we have to ruthlessly condemn every illiegal the way we would a notorious murderer.

I disagree. They didn't just break the law, they continue to do so as long as they are here on our soil. Mitigating circumstances are already covered by law, it's called refugee status. These do not qualify.
 
I thought the point of those requirements was to make it long and expensive, In order to make acquriing citizenship worth somthing.

No. You don't seem to know much about the subject.
 
I could have sworn that right after the election McConnell said there would be no shut-downs. Maybe I didn't read the asterisk and long list of possible exceptions. :shrug:

Has McConnell said anything about shutting down the government?
 
This debate is not just about the illiegals that were caught crossing the border, it is also about the ones that made it across the border and are currently living in the states.

The ones who made it across the border illegally and are presently here are illegals too.
 
I disagree. They didn't just break the law, they continue to do so as long as they are here on our soil. Mitigating circumstances are already covered by law, it's called refugee status. These do not qualify.

The problem is that determining who are the refugees and who are the illiegals is made difficult by the fact that many refugees cross the border illiegally.
 
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Shutdown Poll: No winners but GOP bigger loser than Dems – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Need I go on, or do these two samples of dozens of others give you enough crow to eat?

Neither of your examples quote anyone, of any political persuasion "crowing" that the shutdown would cause the dems to take the House. In fact, the second link says absolutely nothing about the upcoming election

So you don't need to "go on". You need to start

Or did you forget what you said? Here's a reminder:

If I'm not mistaken, Democrats and their friends at the Washington Post were crowing about how the government shutdown in 2013 was going to cost the Republicans the House and any chance at the Senate in 2014. That prediction worked out well for you, didn't it?
 
The family of the murderer or the family of the illegal?

On topic, the illegal. If the rest of the family are legal, then they have a choice to stay or go. If just the minor child is legal, they are all deported as a family and the citizen minor may apply for reentry with full citizenship when they turn 16.
 
The problem is that determining who are the refugees and who are the illiegals is made difficult by the fact that many refugees cross the border illiegally.

No, they do not. Again, perhaps you should study and learn a bit before you form such a solid opinion.
 
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