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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It's the Presidents job to veto bills he feels are wrong for the country, it is in the Constitution. It is the Congress's job to pass bills that will be signed into law or have the votes to override a veto. If Congress is unable to do either they fail and they have no one to blame but themselves. That is how governing works in America in case you have also forgotten like the Republicans in Washington have.
    vetoing a bill because I can't get my way is not wrong for the country it is just bad for Obama's pride. if he can't put his pride away over not getting his way then he needs to step down as president as he doesn't have the ability to properly lead.

    No it isn't congresses job to do that. it is congresses job to pass a bill that is good for the country as a whole. in this case not funding Obama's proposed illegal and unconstitutional amnesty bill is good for the country as a whole.

    If Obama fails to sign a legit budget because he is to prideful then it is on him and no one else.

    Obama doesn't know how to govern that is 99% of his problem.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    poor excuse for legislation = I can't have my way. which sums it up for Obama's attitude.

    no they are going to pass a bill. that bill simply won't allow Obama to break this countries constitution or laws. if Obama veto's the bill that is not the fault of the republicans.
    that is squarely on Obama for shutting down the government.
    So you think the President should disobey his Constitutional duties and sign bills he believes are wrong for the country? Shame on you for that.

    If Congress can't pass a bill that the President will sign it is their fault and their failure to govern according to our laws. They only need to ask what needs to be changed so he will sign. It is how our Govt. works. If you don't like it find someplace else to live.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    actually they wouldn't shut down the government Obama's veto would shut down the government the house and senate republicans would pass a bill
    that would just not include funding Obama's EO. which means they would basically not allow what he wants to occur to occur.

    they would pass a normal budget that doesn't include something the president wants. if he veto's it then it would be Obama shutting down the government not republicans.
    Yes, but as I said earlier, that is simple logic. Unfortunately, the liberals/progressives/Democrats don't operate on logic. They operate on lies, spin and..."feelings".
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Only a Conservative would be able to think without feeling. Most of us do both, you know.
    Congress passing bills that they know will be vetoed is an exercise in failure. It takes work to get things done. I fear they have forgotten how. We will see.
    No...it takes a President who doesn't believe in "my way or the highway".
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So you think the President should disobey his Constitutional duties and sign bills he believes are wrong for the country? Shame on you for that.

    If Congress can't pass a bill that the President will sign it is their fault and their failure to govern according to our laws. They only need to ask what needs to be changed so he will sign. It is how our Govt. works. If you don't like it find someplace else to live.
    Now you are talking about Congress and the President working together. You can bet the Republicans are willing to work with Obama, but you can also bet that Obama has no interest in working with the Republicans. If he did, he wouldn't be talking about Executive Actions like he is.

    But, you know, despite all of Obama's tough talk lately, I still don't think he has the balls to take the kind of stand you think he will. I don't think he'll veto a damned thing.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Now you are talking about Congress and the President working together. You can bet the Republicans are willing to work with Obama, but you can also bet that Obama has no interest in working with the Republicans. If he did, he wouldn't be talking about Executive Actions like he is.

    But, you know, despite all of Obama's tough talk lately, I still don't think he has the balls to take the kind of stand you think he will. I don't think he'll veto a damned thing.
    There's an immigration bill sitting on Boehners desk that has already passed the Senate with bipartisan support. If they want to work with Obama they can put it up for a vote. That is the reason for the executive action they fear so...failure to govern.
    Obama will veto, you can count on it. If Congress passes any of the the garbage that the House has been spewing for 4 years it will go down in flames. It is his Constitutional duty and it will be totally because the Republicans won't work with the President and all will know that.
    You should know that the one thing any President won't do is relinquish the power of his office, it would be dangerous to the country.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So you think the President should disobey his Constitutional duties and sign bills he believes are wrong for the country? Shame on you for that.

    If Congress can't pass a bill that the President will sign it is their fault and their failure to govern according to our laws. They only need to ask what needs to be changed so he will sign. It is how our Govt. works. If you don't like it find someplace else to live.
    not getting my way does not mean the bill is wrong for the country. so shame on Obama for putting his way above what is better for the country.
    nope the president can sign the bill. there would be nothing wrong with the bill except it doesn't give the president his way. if he can't put aside his pride and pass a bill that keeps the country going then that is all on him.

    nope they don't need to change it at all. the republicans are not going to fund or be party to Obama's unconstitutional EO on immigration, nor do they have to fund his illegal activity in doing so. to do that would break their oath to uphold the law of this country. the law of the country says if you do not have permission to be here then you must be deported.

    that is how our government works we are a nation of laws not the nation of let the president have his way. if you don't like it you can move to places that are like this. North korea, china etc... all allow the countries leader to do what they want with little resistance.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    There's an immigration bill sitting on Boehners desk that has already passed the Senate with bipartisan support. If they want to work with Obama they can put it up for a vote. That is the reason for the executive action they fear so...failure to govern.
    Doesn't matter if it passed the Senate with "bipartisan support". It's a bad bill...Boehner knows this...and that's why it's sitting on his desk. Really no different than the 300+ bills that are sitting on Harry's desk.

    Now...the House could go through the process of crafting and passing their own bill, sending it to the Senate where Harry will drop it in a drawer instead of voting on it and trying to work out a compromise. Obama doesn't want to compromise. THAT'S why he's threatening Executive Action. He wants to pressure them to pass that crap from the Senate. I don't think he's going to get what he wants.

    Obama will veto, you can count on it. If Congress passes any of the the garbage that the House has been spewing for 4 years it will go down in flames. It is his Constitutional duty and it will be totally because the Republicans won't work with the President and all will know that.
    You should know that the one thing any President won't do is relinquish the power of his office, it would be dangerous to the country.
    You really don't know Obama at all, do you?
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    There's an immigration bill sitting on Boehners desk that has already passed the Senate with bipartisan support. If they want to work with Obama they can put it up for a vote. That is the reason for the executive action they fear so...failure to govern.
    no the executive order to clear up any ambiguity that exists in a law. it is not fiat for King Obama to do what he wants to do. the separation of powers limits him in what he can sign an EO for. changing immigration laws is outside his power. issuing green cards and work permits is outside of his authority. those powers belong to the legislature.

    the so called bipartisan bill calls for amnesty for illegals. that won't pass the house. there will be a new immigration bill written so lets see how far Obama goes for that one.

    Obama will veto, you can count on it. If Congress passes any of the the garbage that the House has been spewing for 4 years it will go down in flames. It is his Constitutional duty and it will be totally because the Republicans won't work with the President and all will know that.
    You should know that the one thing any President won't do is relinquish the power of his office, it would be dangerous to the country.
    Then he will be responsible for a government shutdown if he does.
    no it his constitution duty to uphold the laws of the land.

    vetoing a budget bill because congress doesn't support your unconstitutional actions is not grounds for a veto. plus it will make him look really bad when he says I had to veto a bill because they won't let me continue my unconstitutional authority. yea that will look really good.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Really? You can't figure it out?

    The Dems are still right of center so it's not like their policies are that big of a change, but still... they threaten the interests of big businesses. It's advantageous to shut down Congress to serve a few than to keep the spigots running and the nation functional.
    That makes even less sense than the original statement. No disrespect intended, just my opinion of the statement given my experience as a business owner, and a political contributor.

    No one is served by a government shutdown, except possibly the politicians that think it's a good idea o try and create leverage over the president. But, even then, I have no idea why they would feel that it was good move. However, that in no way describes what you said in your original post.
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