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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

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    Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration



    In contrast, last time the GOP shut down the government:

    Poll: Major damage to GOP after shutdown, and broad dissatisfaction with government - The Washington Post



    Polls: Shutdown nightmare for Republicans - Tal Kopan - POLITICO.com
    Poll shows Republicans taking blame for government shutdown - Los Angeles Times
    Boomerang! Poll Reveals GOP's Government Shutdown Bolstered Obamacare's Popularity By 20% - Forbes
    Poll: Government Shutdown Damages GOP - Business Insider

    I'm sure that this time, a government shutdown will be positive for the GOPs image. Flight attendants, PR appointees and HS students will support this and it will give the GOP an even bigger majority in 2016. Using the shutdown option will also bring in support from Independents. They seem to be in favor of such things.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Not me. I don't want any more bridge collapses. I don't want sink holes on our highways. I don't want veterans waiting for treatment any longer than they already are. I don't want science research stopped. I don't want a halt to immigration enforcement. There are a lot of things I don't want to happen that can happen if the government shuts down. I used to be strongly libertarian until I realized that too little government is just as bad as too much government. I still have libertarian leanings but Randism and Anarcho-Capitalism are not among them.
    We really don't have a problem with too little government, now do we--as the idea of a partial shutdown of a week or two causing the supposed havoc you listed demonstrates.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's because Dems controlled the Senate. Now watch as the Republicans do the same. It's really both parties at fault, but if the Senate cannot pass a bill that can be signed, then Congress will take the hit on the fallout again if the government shuts down. There is one remedy for the GOP. That is to win the presidency in 2016, if they can. Then there will truly be a mandate.
    There is no way, short of an asteroid wiping out the west coast and/or the Northeast, that the republicans can win the white house in 2016. Demographics make it almost impossible for them to do so. The recent mid-terms saw about a 52% voter turnout. The Presidential election will add at least 20 points to that.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Obamacare is here to stay, whether you like it or not. The GOP will ensure their utter defeat in 2016 if they attempt to defund it.
    Lol. Right. Tell me, why would those who try to remove from the books a horrible law that is wildly unpopular with the American people be defeated by those same American people for doing so? You know that makes no sense, right?

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    We really don't have a problem with too little government, now do we--as the idea of a partial shutdown of a week or two causing the supposed havoc you listed demonstrates.
    I mean, if your idea is to take all of the laws, and consolidate them, and rewrite them more clearly and concisely... I'm with you. I'd like that. It makes sense.

    But the idea that you think "oh we have too much legislation so we can't add more without taking any off" is a bit naive. We have a lot of legislation because there is a lot of stuff that needs to be legislated.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Not me. I don't want any more bridge collapses. I don't want sink holes on our highways. I don't want veterans waiting for treatment any longer than they already are. I don't want science research stopped. I don't want a halt to immigration enforcement. There are a lot of things I don't want to happen that can happen if the government shuts down. I used to be strongly libertarian until I realized that too little government is just as bad as too much government. I still have libertarian leanings but Randism and Anarcho-Capitalism are not among them.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    There is no way, short of an asteroid wiping out the west coast and/or the Northeast, that the republicans can win the white house in 2016. Demographics make it almost impossible for them to do so. The recent mid-terms saw about a 52% voter turnout. The Presidential election will add at least 20 points to that.
    I will take that bet. Heres why: Hillary "sniper fire" Clinton will be the nominee for the dems and 2016 will be a repeat of 2008. Hillary will look old, tired, out of ideas and a continuation of the unpopular incumbent--just like McCain. Republicans don't have an Obama on their bench, but a younger, energetic, inspiring candidate will fill the bill. Clinton is beatable. Very beatable. Shes not a great campaigner and not particularly likeable. Don't get me wrong, republicans cant put up a stiff. But a Hillary 2016 candidacy isn't going to inspire anyone.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I will take that bet. Heres why: Hillary "sniper fire" Clinton will be the nominee for the dems and 2016 will be a repeat of 2008. Hillary will look old, tired, out of ideas and a continuation of the unpopular incumbent--just like McCain. Republicans don't have an Obama on their bench, but a younger, energetic, inspiring candidate will fill the bill. Clinton is beatable. Very beatable. Shes not a great campaigner and not particularly likeable. Don't get me wrong, republicans cant put up a stiff. But a Hillary 2016 candidacy isn't going to inspire anyone.
    I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Hillary is the 2016 nominee.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I mean, if your idea is to take all of the laws, and consolidate them, and rewrite them more clearly and concisely... I'm with you. I'd like that. It makes sense.

    But the idea that you think "oh we have too much legislation so we can't add more without taking any off" is a bit naive. We have a lot of legislation because there is a lot of stuff that needs to be legislated.
    Undoing laws is very difficult and sometimes dangerous as 2008 demonstrated. Just as with the writing of every law there are unforeseen consequences, the same is true for taking them off the books. Laws become intertwined and one builds off another. Its like the game of pick-up-sticks. You can remove some without impacting others. But pull a stick from the bottom of the pile and the game is over.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

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    I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Hillary is the 2016 nominee.
    Who else is out there? Jim Webb might be running, but he is too conservative to make it through the primaries I would think

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