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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Right and when Obama vetos their poor excuses for legislation they will be back to the same. Inability to govern is not attractive to voters forever..
    Why should they take the heat for Obamas vetoes? Or is he still responsible for nothing?

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Why should they take the heat for Obamas vetoes? Or is he still responsible for nothing?
    The veto is a Presidential power included in the Constitution so no Obama will not be blamed for doing his job. But Congress's job is to produce legislation that will become law. If they can't do that they can't govern. How difficult is that to see? If Obama's says he will veto a bill they either must change it or find the votes to override. They are unable to do either and therefore can not govern. Wait and see.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    The GOP shutdown? Its never positive. But hey, we reap what we sow.


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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Actually Columbia gets the 2nd highest amount of U.S. aid, behind Israel.
    its time to cut foreign aid, including that sent to Mexico.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    How was the illegal immigration problem doing before Obama came to office?
    Do you know off-hand how many illegals were already here--or is there zero overlap on issues when dumped on a DEM President?
    And spare me the pro-illegal crap if you want a further conversation .

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    As long as a pro-illegal is in office No action is good action.Because action on the part of pro-illegals only ensures that the illegal immigration problem gets worse than what it is now.Amnesty/legalization for people here illegally encourages more people to come here illegally, not less.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration



    In contrast, last time the GOP shut down the government:

    Poll: Major damage to GOP after shutdown, and broad dissatisfaction with government - The Washington Post



    Polls: Shutdown nightmare for Republicans - Tal Kopan - POLITICO.com
    Poll shows Republicans taking blame for government shutdown - Los Angeles Times
    Boomerang! Poll Reveals GOP's Government Shutdown Bolstered Obamacare's Popularity By 20% - Forbes
    Poll: Government Shutdown Damages GOP - Business Insider

    I'm sure that this time, a government shutdown will be positive for the GOPs image. Flight attendants, PR appointees and HS students will support this and it will give the GOP an even bigger majority in 2016. Using the shutdown option will also bring in support from Independents. They seem to be in favor of such things.
    The last government shutdown didn't seem to do much damage to the GOP. I mean, who swept the midterms?
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    How was the illegal immigration problem doing before Obama came to office?.
    Roughly about the same.

    Do you know off-hand how many illegals were already here--or is there zero overlap on issues when dumped on a DEM President?
    If we believe pro-amnesty and other pro-illegals sources then it is about 8-12 million illegals.If we believe anti-illegal immigration sources then it is at least 20 million illegals.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Why should they take the heat for Obamas vetoes? Or is he still responsible for nothing?
    The only entity responsible for zero is the GOP House of NO.
    They have kept their promise not to act on the important issues of the day for four years and just won an election by being AWOL since July 31st .
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    How in the hell is shutting off the federal dollar spigot supposed to be interpreted as pleasing business partners? I don't know one, not one, business owner that would want to have the federal dollar stop flowing.

    Seriously???
    I haven't seen one pro-business group that doesn't want a fix to immigration reform.
    In fact, many of them are on board with whatever the President does because IR is such a problem for them .
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    It's not decide as of yet.
    GOP facing internal fight over government funding | WashingtonExaminer.com

    So it's far from settled that the GOP is going to shutdown the government. More likely, they'll add provisions to the required funding bill that will defund the EO immigration actions that Obama wants to take, which seems to be a reasonable and not too extreme move to counter.
    And will cause a veto of the bill--shutting down the gov't just in time for what looks like an economically good Christmas.
    The GOP plans on screwing up the omnibus process three weeks at a time, giving no confidence to their own business people .
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