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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It remains impossible for the President to come to agreement with a GOP that can't agree with itself.
    This has been the over-arching problem with every major issue since the House with its rhetorical TEA-party noose around their necks took over.

    I'll be waiting anxiously for the House to allow anything on IR to hit their floor and be debated.
    But I won't be holding my breath .
    The Premier doesn't want compromise, he wants votes for the Dems, period, and he doesn't give a damn about the constitution or the American people.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    The Premier doesn't want compromise, he wants votes for the Dems, period,
    and he doesn't give a damn about the constitution or the American people.
    Since none of this is true, it's entirely impossible for me to respond to you directly.
    I will say that all Americans, including GOPs, want compromise and give a damn about the Constitution and the American people.

    I can hardly wait until Sen. McConnell whips his own caucus into line.
    He's even promised a five-day week, which actually heartens me that he is serious .
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I stand for treating the refugees humanly.

    I don't know who are illiegals you want to deport but until you can identify them as being separate from the refugees, then I have to assume you mean to deport all illiegals regardless of circumstance.
    Breaking in never qualifies one as a refugee, plain and simple. And that last you have right. Btw, a refugee would go immediately to a US consulate, declare and file for status.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    That is why we must be active in removing said bigotry wherever it emerges
    Peachy, doesn't have anything to do with them being here illegally or the fact they should be deported. Nor should our disgust of bigotry be their shield against deportation.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Then let me ask you this: is fulfilling the laws of this country require more deportations? Faster ones? What exactly is not being enforced.
    Catch and release. That's not enforcing the law. The idiot dream set. That's not enforcing the law. Allowing driver's licenses and then not snatching those folks right on up. That's not enforcing the law. Shall I go on or are you seriously asking this? Or is it just more spaghetti against the wall.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    How much will it cost to find and deport every illiegal immigrant?

    Besides some of these illiegals have been here for so long that they have developed roots here and their life expierance has been spent living in America. These people have lost their ties to their original country.
    A lot. Many things we do in this country cost a lot. We can reduce those costs by openly enforcing the law with plenty of very public deportations. That should account for a good many self deportations, especially if we enact asset seizure.

    That last, tough titties, that's the cost of crime, you get caught, you lose your advantage.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Since none of this is true, it's entirely impossible for me to respond to you directly.
    I will say that all Americans, including GOPs, want compromise and give a damn about the Constitution and the American people.

    I can hardly wait until Sen. McConnell whips his own caucus into line.
    He's even promised a five-day week, which actually heartens me that he is serious .
    Go watch Forrest Gump again. Pay close attention. He uses a line many times throughout that movie which you might want to consider and ponder the meaning of.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    A lot. Many things we do in this country cost a lot. We can reduce those costs by openly enforcing the law with plenty of very public deportations. That should account for a good many self deportations, especially if we enact asset seizure.

    That last, tough titties, that's the cost of crime, you get caught, you lose your advantage.
    Aperentlly some people answer to a higher calling.

    FOXNews.com - Immigration treats church sanctuary carefully - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News

    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials have arrested illegal immigrants by the hundreds in raids at factories, restaurants, malls, farms and meat packing plants, but they have handled cases involving churches delicately.

    "Our agency takes enforcement actions when we deem it appropriate," said Julie Myers, assistant secretary of homeland security for ICE. "I am personally not aware of an instance when ICE has gone into a church. That being said, if there was a particular, extremely egregious, ax murderer or something else, that's not to say we would not enforce the law at that time."

    Avoiding churches is unofficial policy for federal immigration officials, according to Doris Meissner, a former commissioner at the Immigration and Naturalization Service, the agency that oversaw immigration until the Department of Homeland Security was formed in 2003.

    Since the 1970s the unwritten rule has been "no churches, no playgrounds, no schools," said Meissner, now a senior fellow at the Migration Policy Institute in Washington.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Another strand of spaghetti, you're invoking sanctuary now? No, the church should not be a hiding place for criminals. Nor should it be housing illegals. Btw, the reasons for the policy you mention has absolutely nothing to do with compassion and everything to do with bad press.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Another strand of spaghetti, you're invoking sanctuary now? No, the church should not be a hiding place for criminals. Nor should it be housing illegals. Btw, the reasons for the policy you mention has absolutely nothing to do with compassion and everything to do with bad press.
    Oh I bring it up because some people are able to distinguish the real criminals are.

    And it is not about bad press.

    Presbyterian church in Arizona offers sanctuary to undocumented migrant


    TUCSON Ariz. (Reuters) - For the second time since May, an Arizona Presbyterian church with a long history of sheltering Central American refugees is offering sanctuary to an undocumented immigrant who faces deportation, its pastor said on Monday.

    Tucson's Southside Presbyterian Church will protect local housekeeper Rosa Imelda Robles Loreto unless Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) stalls or cancels her deportation by Friday, when she is due to be returned to her native Mexico, said Pastor Alison Harrington.

    "She owns a house. She's a taxpaying member of the community. She has two beautiful boys and a loving husband. She has no criminal history," Harrington said.

    "Her goal is to stay with her family."

    Loreto came to Tucson in 1999, only returning to Mexico to have her two sons. Her husband and children, who are also undocumented, are not targeted for deportation, Harrington said.

    She said the church chose Loreto because she is a good example of a category of undocumented immigrant specifically made a low priority in a 2011 memo issued by then-ICE Director John Morton.

    In the memo, Morton offered field offices guidance in the use of "prosecutorial discretion" in pursuing immigration cases.
    And here is the document in question.

    http://www.ice.gov/doclib/secure-com...etion-memo.pdf
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