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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again, the republican leadership has already stated their priorities, immigration "reform" not being one of them. Besides, we don't need reform, we need an executive that will enforce the law. You know, his oath, his actual job.
    Oh...they have taken a position on immigration reform. They want to secure the border first...then address other issues that pertain to illegal and legal immigration. And you can be sure they will address those issues next year.

    But that's not good enough for Obama. He wants to force them to enact the crappy, bloated Senate bill that really does nothing except grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. Sorry...that's not going to happen.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I fully understand your point, and in some ways agree with it. That is why I said in my original response to you that we should have tighter strings attached to the money.

    However, to your point about commerce... if we loan money to foreign countries, we get interest for that loan - that is commerce. If we GIVE money to foreign countries, in return for actions that we require they make (like not assisting our foes) then that is the same as buying their services - that is commerce.

    My point is, that it would not be difficult at all for the Congress to argue in court that the aid they send to other countries is within their power to regulate commerce with foreign nations. Not that I agree or disagree with foreign aid through and by this argument, just that it's possible to be argued and won in court rather easily.
    commerce is the buying and selling of goods, it is not loans......the u.s. cannot make loans to other governments, but it can borrow money on the credit of the u.s.

    regulate means to keep commerce flowing.

    commerce in the constitution means the federal government will have the power to regulate commerce among the states, and that with foreign governments, ....meaning states cannot enter into foreign commerce unless the federal government gives its approval.

    no were can congress dole out money to foreign governments.

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    the general welfare is the 18 powers of congress, ...not what government thinks is good.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh...they have taken a position on immigration reform. They want to secure the border first...then address other issues that pertain to illegal and legal immigration. And you can be sure they will address those issues next year.

    But that's not good enough for Obama. He wants to force them to enact the crappy, bloated Senate bill that really does nothing except grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. Sorry...that's not going to happen.
    An EO can be found Unconstitutional by the SCOTUS. The house could not fund the EO or Congress can just pass their own bill - which I'm sure Obama would veto and then Congress would need the 2/3 majority to overturn the veto which probably won't happen.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Since your posts are trying to walk a calm moderate line for a conservative,
    how do you view it from my POV that Obama is called a "deporter-in-chief" by his own Latino base?

    That these Dreamers heckled Obama before the election and didn't come out to vote at all?

    The GOP is to be congratulated for sitting on an issue and demonizing it rather than acting--it helped them win an election.
    What now--did the GOP really expect him to continue to roll over after getting crushed in an election ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Obama argues, quite successfully, that he "lacks resources" to deport more than about 400K illegals per year. Congress does not contest that. Using that limit as the basis, Obama seeks to exclude deportation of those illegals that he deems lower risk for the sole purpose of deporting more illegals that he deems higher risk. To avoid having to decide each such low risk case again (possibly multiple times) he will issue "I am okey dokey" passes to those illegal aliens deemed currently unworthy of deportation.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration



    In contrast, last time the GOP shut down the government:

    Poll: Major damage to GOP after shutdown, and broad dissatisfaction with government - The Washington Post



    Polls: Shutdown nightmare for Republicans - Tal Kopan - POLITICO.com
    Poll shows Republicans taking blame for government shutdown - Los Angeles Times
    Boomerang! Poll Reveals GOP's Government Shutdown Bolstered Obamacare's Popularity By 20% - Forbes
    Poll: Government Shutdown Damages GOP - Business Insider

    I'm sure that this time, a government shutdown will be positive for the GOPs image. Flight attendants, PR appointees and HS students will support this and it will give the GOP an even bigger majority in 2016. Using the shutdown option will also bring in support from Independents. They seem to be in favor of such things.
    If I'm not mistaken, Democrats and their friends at the Washington Post were crowing about how the government shutdown in 2013 was going to cost the Republicans the House and any chance at the Senate in 2014. That prediction worked out well for you, didn't it?
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Why subject a family to the inhumanity of seperation?
    You should ask that question of those who send their family members, often children, into the US unescorted and illegally.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    So when do you think this Congress will ever pass their own bill?
    after clearly refusing to take up their own Sen. Rubio's Dream Act?
    And forever disdaining the process of Joint-Committee on anything ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    An EO can be found Unconstitutional by the SCOTUS. The house could not fund the EO or Congress can just pass their own bill - which I'm sure Obama would veto and then Congress would need the 2/3 majority to overturn the veto which probably won't happen.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Since your posts are trying to walk a calm moderate line for a conservative,
    how do you view it from my POV that Obama is called a "deporter-in-chief" by his own Latino base?

    That these Dreamers heckled Obama before the election and didn't come out to vote at all?

    The GOP is to be congratulated for sitting on an issue and demonizing it rather than acting--it helped them win an election.
    What now--did the GOP really expect him to continue to roll over after getting crushed in an election ?
    I think that the real reason the republicants are in a snit is that Obama is really doing nothing different than Bush did (deporting a few but letting in even more) but has found a way to make it seem different.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh...they have taken a position on immigration reform. They want to secure the border first...then address other issues that pertain to illegal and legal immigration. And you can be sure they will address those issues next year.
    What per chance would those great ideas be that Congress has?
    They've refused any discussion on the floor for four years now.

    Just as they have zero ideas on the floor to fix or replace ACA.
    Nor did they even touch their outgoing Ways and Means chair's bill on tax reform.

    You really can't be serious that this next Congress has a clue on how to solve anything can you?

    But that's not good enough for Obama.
    He wants to force them to enact the crappy, bloated Senate bill that really does nothing except grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants.
    Sorry...that's not going to happen.
    That would be patently untrue and you know it.
    If you don't like Sen. Rubio's bill, pass your own and go to Joint-Conference--something all of you GOP Constitutionalists should be about.

    But this GOP has no intention of doing that.
    They fully intend to use the immigration problem as an electoral weapon in 2016, just as they did in 2014 .
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, Democrats and their friends at the Washington Post were crowing about how the government shutdown in 2013 was going to cost the Republicans the House and any chance at the Senate in 2014.
    You are mistaken
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