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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Obama is not a conservative though, and the legeslation the conservatives want to enact has little chance surviving a veto unless the bills are within reason.
    I stand by what I think should have been the conservative move IF he doesn't go forward with executive action...

    Law and Enforcement:

    Enhanced border security (include pushing for a fence, but let this be a negotiating point)
    Enhanced enforcement on businesses
    Streamlining of the means of legally immigrating into this country
    Re-evaluating the work and student visa system.

    Those here:

    6 months to come forwrad and register to be accounted for. Any illegal who doesn't come forward who is found after that 6 month time is deported regardless of age, family, criminal history, etc. For those who do come forward, three choices:

    1. 2 years of a "TEMPORARY RESIDENT" status for you and your dependents, allowing you to legally work and live in the United States but conferring no citizenship benefits. Monthly check in's are required, and any check-in that are entirely no-shows results in removal of the status. Being in this status makes on inelligble for Citizenship or Permanent Residency for a 3 year period. Essentially, illegals here have 2 years to get their affairs in order and return to their country, where they can either stay or proceed with legally returning to the country.

    2. You may leave, without any penalty for illegal action in relation to your presence within the country, and immedietely apply for any method of re-entry into the country under the newly updated laws)

    3. If you were brought here under the age of 18 but are now over 18, you may enlist within the military for a 4 year tour of duty. Upon completion you will be granted citizenship. IMMEDIETE family members, other than other siblings that qualify for this option (who instead must take it as well), are given the option for a conditional residency status that becomes permanent should the 4 year tour be completed. However, said family members are barred from ever obtaining citizenship if this option is taken.

    There latter part is your compromise. The people here get to either stay temporarily to feasibly prepare for the difficulties of a return to their home OR they can leave absolved of their crimes and free to try and return, and those who were brought here as youths have a chance to serve the country and gain permanent citizenship. Those here temporarily however don't get to vote, they don't get to be on the path to citizenry, and they must be accounted for.

    Both sides at least give lip service to better enforcement on businesses. Both sides at least give lip service on streamlining legal immigration. Both sides at least give lip service to fixing our temporary visa programs. This does all that. It "deals" with those people here...deporting those who refuse to be accounted for, and giving a possible transition period or oppertunity to utilize the newly updated laws to those who do get accounted for.

    Is it possibly going to have more conservative than liberal parts in it? Absolutely. That is the consequences of going from a Democratic majority in the Congress to a Democratic Minority over the span of 6 years. The President doesn't always get what he wants, and he's going to have to deal with the fact his part has lost the congress. Or, as he put so succinctly after winning an election that promised "post partisanship" and a "change from politics as usual"....."We Won". However, it should have enough bones and compromises...(it's not saying just deport them all)...to warrant a signing by this President. Especially since he already claimed that he'd sign whatever bill the congress could get to his desk on immigration.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

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    Here you go: List of United States immigration laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There has always been immigration law. Until it is changed or replaced by both houses of Congress and is signed by the President, the current laws remain in effect.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Can you point me to an immigration bill the House has even allowed onto its floor.
    Besides all the repeal but don't replace nonsense you keep yammering about.
    I can Hardly wait to see how many of these worthless House bills McConnell actually brings up .
    Once again, the republican leadership has already stated their priorities, immigration "reform" not being one of them. Besides, we don't need reform, we need an executive that will enforce the law. You know, his oath, his actual job.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again, the republican leadership has already stated their priorities, immigration "reform" not being one of them. Besides, we don't need reform, we need an executive that will enforce the law. You know, his oath, his actual job.
    Won't get that anytime soon I'm afraid.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not really. To enforce legislation requires more than merely writing a law; it must include adequate funding for the executive to do so. Obama, like Bush, cannot secure the border using 20K border patrol agents or catch and deport 20 million illegals scattered about the entire US interior using 5K ICE agents. Reality requires at least giving the executive adequate means to enforce the law not merely saying git-r-done.
    That is a budget issue. And there is no budget. A President may not "fail to faithfully execute" laws. Let's agree that the President's motives with this proposed/potential/who knows what it is going to be executive order are not budgetary. He is happy to spend into the red when it suits him to do so.

    If funding is the problem, then amnesty is NOT the solution.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And you would know better than this since the House has refused to touch immigration reform since it has been in power .
    So? Once again, the failure of the congress to take up an issue does not grant the executive the power to legislate.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I read what you said tres borrachos--it was very clear--and since you continue to call me out by name first.
    Obama should have solved every problem he inherited in the short time he had 60 Senators according to the propaganda of you people.
    And frankly, the Dems continue to lose this messaging war to the public .
    Call you out? You posted to me first, Nimby. I never posted to you first.

    I never said anything about votes. I asked a question, and a filibuster proof majority or not doesn't change what I'm asking.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I stand by what I think should have been the conservative move IF he doesn't go forward with executive action...

    Law and Enforcement:

    Enhanced border security (include pushing for a fence, but let this be a negotiating point)
    Enhanced enforcement on businesses
    Streamlining of the means of legally immigrating into this country
    Re-evaluating the work and student visa system.

    Those here:

    6 months to come forwrad and register to be accounted for. Any illegal who doesn't come forward who is found after that 6 month time is deported regardless of age, family, criminal history, etc. For those who do come forward, three choices:

    1. 2 years of a "TEMPORARY RESIDENT" status for you and your dependents, allowing you to legally work and live in the United States but conferring no citizenship benefits. Monthly check in's are required, and any check-in that are entirely no-shows results in removal of the status. Being in this status makes on inelligble for Citizenship or Permanent Residency for a 3 year period. Essentially, illegals here have 2 years to get their affairs in order and return to their country, where they can either stay or proceed with legally returning to the country.

    2. You may leave, without any penalty for illegal action in relation to your presence within the country, and immedietely apply for any method of re-entry into the country under the newly updated laws)

    3. If you were brought here under the age of 18 but are now over 18, you may enlist within the military for a 4 year tour of duty. Upon completion you will be granted citizenship. IMMEDIETE family members, other than other siblings that qualify for this option (who instead must take it as well), are given the option for a conditional residency status that becomes permanent should the 4 year tour be completed. However, said family members are barred from ever obtaining citizenship if this option is taken.

    There latter part is your compromise. The people here get to either stay temporarily to feasibly prepare for the difficulties of a return to their home OR they can leave absolved of their crimes and free to try and return, and those who were brought here as youths have a chance to serve the country and gain permanent citizenship. Those here temporarily however don't get to vote, they don't get to be on the path to citizenry, and they must be accounted for.

    Both sides at least give lip service to better enforcement on businesses. Both sides at least give lip service on streamlining legal immigration. Both sides at least give lip service to fixing our temporary visa programs. This does all that. It "deals" with those people here...deporting those who refuse to be accounted for, and giving a possible transition period or oppertunity to utilize the newly updated laws to those who do get accounted for.

    Is it possibly going to have more conservative than liberal parts in it? Absolutely. That is the consequences of going from a Democratic majority in the Congress to a Democratic Minority over the span of 6 years. The President doesn't always get what he wants, and he's going to have to deal with the fact his part has lost the congress. Or, as he put so succinctly after winning an election that promised "post partisanship" and a "change from politics as usual"....."We Won". However, it should have enough bones and compromises...(it's not saying just deport them all)...to warrant a signing by this President. Especially since he already claimed that he'd sign whatever bill the congress could get to his desk on immigration.
    What garentee do we give to those who are afraid of being separated from their families during the deportation process?
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Exactly--the GOP is more concerned with running on the fact that there is an immigration problem then actually deoing something about it.
    Even ttwtt disagrees with that ridiculous notion .
    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again, the republican leadership has already stated their priorities, immigration "reform" not being one of them. Besides, we don't need reform, we need an executive that will enforce the law. You know, his oath, his actual job.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What garentee do we give to those who are afraid of being separated from their families during the deportation process?
    Why would someone who has broken US law get a guarantee like that?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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