I don't have a problem with silly rumors being discussed. If I did, I would have left DP long ago. I just think *you* are a bit too smart and more reasonable to engage in such low-brow rumor-mongering.Thanks. And let me be frank...I have zero issue with you taking a stance that it shouldn't even be discussed. I've said in other threads that I think discussing, and more specifically getting upset about, what to do about his Executive Actions on this matter is kind of irrelevant because we just frankly DON'T KNOW. Until it actually happens, or at least until he publicly announces what he plans, it's all just guesses and rumors right now.
Now, unlike you, I don't see a problem DISCUSSING the rumors...I just don't see a reason to get upset or angry or worried about it because we just don't know. But I fully understand and think it's reasonable for someone to feel like even discussing it isn't even needed.
I've got no issue with you feeling like it's not worthy of discussion....I had more of an issue with you seemingly acting like my discussion of it was a suggestion or implication it was likely, or that it's being done for some reason to push speculation that it will happen. It's not, I'm simply discussing the topic (government shutdown) and relating it to the rumors out there currently (and everything currently is unsubstantiated rumor).
Every president has "pushed the envelope" as far as executive power goes. However, with regards to the issuance of green cards or citizenship, there is no credible evidence that such a thing will happen. There is absolutely ZERO EVIDENCE that it is even being contemplated, never mind being actively planned for implementation.Well, see...here you and I disagree. The President has shown a willingness to walk the line of acceptable and not acceptable, generally betting that he'll stay just close enough to "acceptable" that no significant action can be taken against him. My stance...not just on this President but in general...is that anyone that walks the line repeatedly has a legitimate chance of stepping over it at times. While I don't think it's likely he'd do something extremely blatantly unconstituional, I wouldn't be SHOCKED by something that's got some grey in it...such as green cards. While I personally would very much view that as a step in the naturalization process and outside of the Executives scope, I can absolutely step back and play devil's advocate and see a way of arguing that it isn't *technically* naturalization and thus is within that scope.
So me and you simply disagree on how much of a "guarantee" it is. You seem to be in the camp that would think its like a 1% shot, if not 0%. I'd probably put it closer to a 10% that he does something that a legitimate argument could be made falls in line with the role of naturalization in some fashion. Likely? Absolutely not. Aliens from Mars? Not quite.
The whole "who knows what he will do" is nothing more than an intellectually bankrupt cover for hackish speculation.
“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman
I read what you said tres borrachos--it was very clear--and since you continue to call me out by name first.
Obama should have solved every problem he inherited in the short time he had 60 Senators according to the propaganda of you people.
And frankly, the Dems continue to lose this messaging war to the public .
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