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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Actually, they attempted to and showed great gains in polls. That was until the reality of Obama-care came to light. Many of those who cried out about the shutdown were suddenly asking themselves why the Republicans didn't do more to stop it and help the TEA Party guys.

    The difference this time vs the Obama-care shutdown would be there is far less ambiguity about who is at fault. Obama's reticence to come to an agreement and to act constitutionally will be much more evident this time around. He will no longer have a Dem led senate to hide behind.
    It remains impossible for the President to come to agreement with a GOP that can't agree with itself.
    This has been the over-arching problem with every major issue since the House with its rhetorical TEA-party noose around their necks took over.

    I'll be waiting anxiously for the House to allow anything on IR to hit their floor and be debated.
    But I won't be holding my breath .
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Why not have the House throw a bone to the President by actually working on their own compromise IR legislation?
    Now that they have used inaction this past year to win an election, what are they waiting for?

    This would indeed give Mr. Obama a reason to not act unilaterally.
    As with other issues, when will this House act and then agree to go to Joint-Conference, the Constitutional mechanism?

    And yes, I'm fully aware of how scared the GOP House is with acting on IR after what happened to Cantor ?
    Obama isn't giving them enough time to craft a compromise bill. He wants them to do something "right now", and the only thing they can do right now is pass the Senate crap. That's what Obama wants...not a compromise bill.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    So are you ignoring the fact that the House refuses to come up with its own IR?
    In no way is that a strawman.

    Having both chambers come up with their own act, which the Senate has, but the House hasn't;
    and then go to Joint-conference is the American Constitutional way.

    I know you'll join me in this effort to get the House doing something on IR, anything, so we can get to a JC and preempt any EA by the President .
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    No, if you'd like to debate a strawman of your own creation you're perfectly capable of doing that without my involvement. Your question has nothing to do with my statement or the conversation I'm having.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A green card is a direct step in the naturalization process, as one is required to be a permanent residence to be naturalized. I would see granting ANY illegal aliens permanent legal residence status as beginning them in the process of becoming naturalized and outside of the scope of the Presidency unless EXPLICTELY vested to the President via law, and then ONLY in ways specifically stated in said law.
    Rumors of Obama issuing green cards by EO are as lacking in credibility as the idea that he is going to naturalize immigrants by EO.

    Heck, why don't we speculate that he's going to give citizenship to invaders from Mars while we're at it?
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    The House could have been working on this IR since they went on vacation last July 31st.
    The House could have been working on any small step this past year but stopped when Cantor got voted out for trying the most baby of small steps.

    The problem since the 2011 grand-bargain fell through is that Boehner has no control of his own caucus.
    He refuses to act in any way without 218 votes from his own caucus.
    Which you and I both know he still can't get .

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Obama isn't giving them enough time to craft a compromise bill. He wants them to do something "right now", and the only thing they can do right now is pass the Senate crap. That's what Obama wants...not a compromise bill.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    So are you ignoring the fact that the House refuses to come up with its own IR?
    No, that's just irrelevant to the discussion and back and forth that you quoted...which was dealing with iguanaman's claims that it's Obama's constitutional duty to veto and not sign any bill he thinks will harm the country. Whether or not the House has passed an immigration reform bill is ENTIRELY irrelevant to my question to him, as to whether or not that same notion (that it's a politicians constitutional duty to not support anything he thinks will harm the country) cuts both ways.

    In no way is that a strawman.
    Actually, yeah...it is. It's attempting to beat up some notion (that the Republicans in the house hasn't passed immigration reform?) that has ZERO to do with what was actually being discussed.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You're being intellectually dishonest.
    The polls say yes to immigration reform, but not to anything like what Obama is proposing. People want them out, not in.
    How does the Chamber of Commerce wing of the GOP feel?
    The wing that defeated the TEA-party in the 2014 primaries and put up far better candidates this year that actually won ?
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Rumors of Obama issuing green cards by EO are as lacking in credibility as the idea that he is going to naturalize immigrants by EO.

    Heck, why don't we speculate that he's going to give citizenship to invaders from Mars while we're at it?
    Rumors may be lacking credibility, but they're still actually perculating out there. So far I haven't seen any rumors about invaders from Mars, and considering green cards actually exist unlike people from Mars, I think it's a bit more reasonable to discuss.

    That said, I'm sorry you've got a bug up your britches over my highlighting the only way I'd support the notion of a shut down, while noting here and in other threads that we absolutely don't know what's going to happen and it's likely to be less than what some people are fearing...but tough ****. You don't think he'll give out green card and don't think it's worth ANY discussion to any degree in any fashion. Cool, noted. I'd suggest not bothering to read my posts on the subject as it'll just annoy you, because I'll continue to discuss the only way I'd support a shut down in threads talking about whether or not a shut down will happen or be threatened.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Rumors may be lacking credibility, but they're still actually perculating out there. So far I haven't seen any rumors about invaders from Mars, and considering green cards actually exist unlike people from Mars, I think it's a bit more reasonable to discuss.
    There are rumors that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim. That doesn't make that worthy of discussion.

    That said, I'm sorry you've got a bug up your britches over my highlighting the only way I'd support the notion of a shut down, while noting here and in other threads that we absolutely don't know what's going to happen and it's likely to be less than what some people are fearing...but tough ****. You don't think he'll give out green card and don't think it's worth ANY discussion to any degree in any fashion. Cool, noted. I'd suggest not bothering to read my posts on the subject as it'll just annoy you, because I'll continue to discuss the only way I'd support a shut down in threads talking about whether or not a shut down will happen or be threatened.
    You are whining about other people posting about things you consider irrelevant (but aren't) while promoting the wildest of incredible rumors which are not relevant to a reasonable (ie based on facts) discussion. If my pointing out the fact that your speculations have no reasonable nor credible basis in reality annoy *you*, then I suggest that you not read *my* posts. Otherwise, it's just tough **** on you.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Actually, yeah...it is. It's attempting to beat up some notion (that the Republicans in the house hasn't passed immigration reform?)
    that has ZERO to do with what was actually being discussed.
    The President is being forced to act because the House hasn't acted.
    That's called cause-and-effect, not strawman.

    I realize you have no defense of the House inaction, which can't be defended, so you want to make this about the President.
    We wouldn't be talking about what actions Mr. Obama would be taking if the House had done its job.

    With many of the common-sense actions like my friend Beaudreax has put out along with like-minded GOP Congressmen.
    This country needs more Republicans like him if we're to get compromise on IR and move forward .
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