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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    I am pretty certain that within the next 18 months not only will we see a shutdown, but also another actual credit downgrade if not outright default.

    MCConnell thinks he can control the new crazies and force Boehner in line to secure his legacy as Majority Leader; I think he's WAY too optimistic on that working.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, trying a couple of times each year I can understand. 54 times in 4 years no way. If you want something changed that bad, you either go to the courts (which I understand why they did) or you win elections. You don't continue to waste time and money.



    And when it doesn't happen after a couple of times each year, you don't keep doing it, you wait until the next year. 54 times in 4 years is a waste. Plain and simple, regardless of who's in power.
    They did win a big election so at least their $1+ million per vote will now be spent well.

    For the sake of historical accuracy, they've actually only voted on a repeal of Obamacare 6 times. The other 50 or so votes were limited to defunding it to delaying provisions. And some of the votes corresponded with budget votes.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There hasn't been one credible report that Obama plans on naturalizing anyone.
    This is why in every single thread I've discussed this I've highlighted, again and again, we don't know for sure what he's going to end up trying to do so there's no reason to get in any kind of serious uproar over this.

    The discussion was about shutting down the government. The ONLY action that would get me supporting that would be if he tried to naturalize anyone in some form. I don't know if he's going to do that, I doubt he's going to do that, but I'm simply qualifying the ONLY way I'd support the suggestion stated in the topic.

    I think more likely that it'll be something short of that, which is why it's very likely I wouldn't support actually attempting a shut down.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The polls say YES to immigration reform Erod. You don't know what you are talking about. Obama will get things done without the GOP obstructionists.

    Two New Polls Show Continued U.S. Support for Immigration Reform - NBC News
    You're being intellectually dishonest. The polls say yes to immigration reform, but not to anything like what Obama is proposing. People want them out, not in.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Too bad the Democrats weren't bright enough to use the last GOP shutdown to their advantage.
    The GOP money-men would have smeared them to no end if roles were reversed.

    While the Kochs and company were hammering Dem Senators like Hagan with tens of millions of negative ads after the ACA roll-out,
    Dems played Dukakis/Horton on steroids and lost the election early and often.

    By the time they spent money, it was far too late .
    Actually, they attempted to and showed great gains in polls. That was until the reality of Obama-care came to light. Many of those who cried out about the shutdown were suddenly asking themselves why the Republicans didn't do more to stop it and help the TEA Party guys.

    The difference this time vs the Obama-care shutdown would be there is far less ambiguity about who is at fault. Obama's reticence to come to an agreement and to act constitutionally will be much more evident this time around. He will no longer have a Dem led senate to hide behind.
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This is why in every single thread I've discussed this I've highlighted, again and again, we don't know for sure what he's going to end up trying to do so there's no reason to get in any kind of serious uproar over this.

    The discussion was about shutting down the government. The ONLY action that would get me supporting that would be if he tried to naturalize anyone in some form. I don't know if he's going to do that, I doubt he's going to do that, but I'm simply qualifying the ONLY way I'd support the suggestion stated in the topic.

    I think more likely that it'll be something short of that, which is why it's very likely I wouldn't support actually attempting a shut down.
    I'm not even sure if Obama has the ability to grant "naturalization" to anyone...let alone a blanket naturalization to millions of illegal aliens. But, it appears his aim might be to grant "green cards" to those millions. That would be a different thing and I wonder if you think he would be justified in shutting down the government to defend that kind of action?
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So do you have a similar stance on believing that those in congress shouldn't disobey their constitutional duties and vote for bills they believe are wrong for the country? Or have you criticized the Republicans in congress at any point for not "compromising"?
    Can you direct me to the last immigration bill the House has discussed on its floor since it took over in 2011 ?
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I'm not even sure if Obama has the ability to grant "naturalization" to anyone...let alone a blanket naturalization to millions of illegal aliens. But, it appears his aim might be to grant "green cards" to those millions. That would be a different thing and I wonder if you think he would be justified in shutting down the government to defend that kind of action?
    A green card is a direct step in the naturalization process, as one is required to be a permanent residence to be naturalized. I would see granting ANY illegal aliens permanent legal residence status as beginning them in the process of becoming naturalized and outside of the scope of the Presidency unless EXPLICTELY vested to the President via law, and then ONLY in ways specifically stated in said law.

    To me that's a step in the naturalization process, and one of those game changing "permanent" actions I spoke of that will likely never be overturned. Allowing these people to stay temporarily for the next two years by directing enforcement to ignore them is one thing...giving them permanent legal residency that starts the path down naturalization is another entirely.

    If he does that then it needs to be shut down and they seriously need to consider impeachment based on Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4.

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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Why not have the House throw a bone to the President by actually working on their own compromise IR legislation?
    Now that they have used inaction this past year to win an election, what are they waiting for?

    This would indeed give Mr. Obama a reason to not act unilaterally.
    As with other issues, when will this House act and then agree to go to Joint-Conference, the Constitutional mechanism?

    And yes, I'm fully aware of how scared the GOP House is with acting on IR after what happened to Cantor ?

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    I'm not even sure if Obama has the ability to grant "naturalization" to anyone...let alone a blanket naturalization to millions of illegal aliens. But, it appears his aim might be to grant "green cards" to those millions. That would be a different thing and I wonder if you think he would be justified in shutting down the government to defend that kind of action?
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    Re: Republicans weigh government shutdown to stop Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Can you direct me to the last immigration bill the House has discussed on its floor since it took over in 2011 ?
    No, if you'd like to debate a strawman of your own creation you're perfectly capable of doing that without my involvement. Your question has nothing to do with my statement or the conversation I'm having.

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