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US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

Morality Games said:
Well, with the human population expanding to 10,000,000,000-16,000,000,000 and the rise of the global middle class and its demand for gas hungry commodities, its going to be gone in 50 years. Those are Exxon and British Petroleum estimates on global oil reserves, not government issued ones. You might be able to squeeze out a decade or two more with advances in technology, but only so many dinosaurs and plants died.

Don't care about your climate change babble. For "whatever reason" its getting harder to grow food in the Middle East, so food prices are set to rise which is going to be sending young males directly into the ranks of crime syndicates (which in the Middle East are also usually terrorist organizations) in order to get a bigger share of the shrinking pie.
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The NOAA LIED and so did the Australian Meteorology Bureau when they got caught manipulating data to arrive at a predetermined conclusion.

Thats not " Science, that's fraud.

And its getting harder to grow food in the desert ? With a rising ISIS threat because if a indifferent American Government ?

Go figure.
 
DA60 said:
And what about the beheading's by Saudi Arabia for petty crimes?

Who will stop them?

When It Comes to Beheadings, ISIS Has Nothing Over Saudi Arabia

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/10/24/...sis-has-nothing-over-saudi-arabia-277385.html

Shock over ISIS beheadings but silence over Saudi Arabia beheadings, Janine di Giovanni says oil prevents criticism

Shock over ISIS beheadings but silence over Saudi Arabia beheadings, Janine di Giovanni says oil prevents criticism | The Current with Anna Maria Tremonti | CBC Radio


To condemn (rightly) ISIS, but give Saudi Arabia a pass on beheading's is hypocritical (i.e. two faced).

Typical neocon practise...condemn atrocities of enemies, ignore them of 'allies' - makes me sick.
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This is a silly comparison. I disagree with many aspects of Saudi culture, but when they start violently invading neighbors, raping women and children, forcing them into slavery, and killing the rest get back to me. They simply aren't equivocal so dont even go there.
 
DA60 said:
For petty crimes?

'It appears that the majority of those executed (in Saudi Arabia) in August were guilty of nonlethal crimes, including drug trafficking, adultery, apostasy and "sorcery." Four members of one family, Amnesty reports, were beheaded for "receiving drugs."'

Saudi Arabia, key to Obama’s strategy, beheaded at least 8 people last month - The Washington Post

You say 'so be it' to public beheading's for 'adultery'...yes or no?
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Its still not a comparable situation.
 
Fenton said:
If you can't objectively criticize bad foreign policy ( Obama pulling ALL American Military assets out of Iraq against the better judgement of those around him who knew better ) because it contradicts with your Political affiliation then maybe you should stay put in the Partisan section of the forum.

It would appear that all the Islamic radicals need in this world to increase their numbers and power is a indifferent American Government who acts out of ideological precepts ther than intelligent Foreign Policy decisions.

And thats exactly how ISIS got their power
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If you think that I think Obama and his Administration are without fault, then you'd be wrong again.

Now acknowledge that if the invasion hadn't happened in the first ****ing place, this world would be in a much better state. And don't ****ing tell me Bush wasn't warned that **** like this would not happen.
 
US Conservative said:
This war is going to take decades, maybe centuries. Get used to it because you are already in it like it or not.
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Spoken in the same spirit as Alexander the Great, and the British Empire... all of whom failed to capture and hold the ME for any meaningful length of time.

I understand what Obama was told, and I agree that the choice he made contributed to this situation. However, it's a choice that will have to be made eventually. The U.S. cannot fight a forever war, no matter how much you think it should. We have limited resources and the war on "terror" is creating huge opportunity costs for us as a country. Not to mention, it's turning us into a second rate power that's making us look like an empire building nation, and it's making us look like we are being caught with our pants down now that Russia is coming back onto the scene.

We've squandered everything on our ME projects, without success, while real dangers are beginning to appear.
 
Middleground said:
That's right! I forgot how much Iraqis looooooooooove being invaded, killed and tortured!11!11!11!11!!!!! And lest not forget having their homes destroyed, their infrastructure decimated, their country in shambles, all to get a "see-you-later-****-you" from the US. Like it or not, your country is responsible for the mess. Invading countries is serious business.
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None of this changes that Obama has lost the peace in Iraq, terror flourishes under him, and no substantive change will be made until there is a new leader in the White House.
 
US Conservative said:
This is a silly comparison. I disagree with many aspects of Saudi culture, but when they start violently invading neighbors, raping women and children, forcing them into slavery, and killing the rest get back to me. They simply aren't equivocal so dont even go there.
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So beheading citizens for adultery does not warrant official condemnation and possible sanctions?

Yes or no?
 
DA60 said:
I will take that as a 'yes'.

Pathetic...typical neocon hypocricy.

Your attitude is childish and I will waste no further time on you with this.


Good day.
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A terrorist organization that beheads can't be criticized because one of our allies beheads its criminals. :doh
Tell us more about childish attitudes.
 
Fenton said:
If it ignores WHY they grew exponentially in power and size and influence over the last 2 years then there's little " truth " to it.
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It does touch on that a bit, like how Obama's white house very rarely even interacted with the Iraqi's, even when they told him about ISIS.
 
Grant said:
War is the natural situation of things and people just have to learn to accept it. But because of strong American leadership in the past they seem to think that peace is normal, or that our enemies are simply misunderstood and have a legitimate beef. People who think like that are really unsafe to be around.
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I'm not sure who those people are, because I'm not one of them. There are realistic political dangers in the world, i.e. Russia, who is now able to start mobilizing because we have weakened ourselves through this ME non-sense. China could be another, though they've already defeated us economically through buying our debt and beholding us to their trade deals. Putin on the other hand is crazy and could very well start up some cold war theater again. And what can we do about it? **** all, because we decided that we needed to fight terrorism, which is so nebulous and ridiculous that the fact so many Americans still support this blind war is a sign of how stupid and soft we have become as a nation.

It wasn't just good leadership that secured peace, it was proper deterrence. Past administrations, for the most part, did not squander our resources on endless concepts like wars on terror. They maintained bases and deployments that kept us appearing strong, like we could reinforce our will at any time. Now? Everyone knows the U.S. is struggling economically, that we have more wars than we can handle, and that even our allies are growing tired of this non-sense. When are people going to wake up and understand that the war on terror is for the profitable service of a select few and not for global benefit? I mean, we removed Saddam from power but now we have ISIS who we can barely defend against.

There will ALWAYS be enemies, but we've lost the good sense of which ones are worth fighting. All they did was slam airplanes into a couple of our buildings, and we're going bankrupt over it. The terrorists have won.
 
US Conservative said:
None of this changes that Obama has lost the peace in Iraq, terror flourishes under him, and no substantive change will be made until there is a new leader in the White House.
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Peace in Iraq??? :lamo

You think that is what al-Malaki wanted?
 
US Conservative said:
I not only watched that, I started a thread on it here several months ago. Try to focus. Terrorism flourishes under Barrack Hussein Obama.
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If you watch this doc, then you much have been in some kind of haze if that is all you got from it.
 
Northern Light said:
Spoken in the same spirit as Alexander the Great, and the British Empire... all of whom failed to capture and hold the ME for any meaningful length of time.

I understand what Obama was told, and I agree that the choice he made contributed to this situation. However, it's a choice that will have to be made eventually. The U.S. cannot fight a forever war, no matter how much you think it should. We have limited resources and the war on "terror" is creating huge opportunity costs for us as a country. Not to mention, it's turning us into a second rate power that's making us look like an empire building nation, and it's making us look like we are being caught with our pants down now that Russia is coming back onto the scene.

We've squandered everything on our ME projects, without success, while real dangers are beginning to appear.
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This isn't total war, its not even high intensity. Its low intensity asymmetric conflict-the US can handle it.
 
US Conservative said:
A terrorist organization that beheads can't be criticized because one of our allies beheads its criminals. :doh
Tell us more about childish attitudes.
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:roll:

I said 'To condemn (rightly) ISIS'

Try reading before you speak and you won't sound as stupid as the guy in your avatar.
 
Fenton said:
The NOAA LIED and so did the Australian Meteorology Bureau when they got caught manipulating data to arrive at a predetermined conclusion.

Thats not " Science, that's fraud.

And its getting harder to grow food in the desert ? With a rising ISIS threat because if a indifferent American Government ?

Go figure.
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... all institutions that are responsible for statistics doctor those statistics to add increased urgency to their causes. That doesn't mean that beneath the doctoring there is nothing afoot.

I'm not sure where you're going with this or why you are engaging me in discussion. Someone suggested that Republicans deserve to take control because Obama hasn't "cleaned up the Middle East", so I pointed out the blindingly obvious truth that there is no cleaning up the Middle East as a whole for the exact same reason there has been no lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians ... there are NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES TO SATISFY EVERYONE, SO PEOPLE TEAM UP WITH THOSE OF THEIR ETHNICITY OR RELIGION TO TAKE BY VIOLENCE, TERRORISM, AND CRIME WHAT BELONGS TO PEOPLE OUTSIDE THEIR RELIGION OR ETHNIC GROUP.

The only way to "settle the Middle East" is to make it so the number of human beings that live there (300,000,000 or so) drops by about 30-60,000,000 persons, instead of going up, like its projected to as the human population increases.

Neither Obama, Bush, or anyone can change that.
 
US Conservative said:
Reagan could lead, and people knew he meant business. Cant say the same about Obama, or his O-pologists.
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So did Hitler and Stalin...so what?

And I am not an Obama fan...figures you would just assume that though.
 
DA60 said:
:roll:

I said 'To condemn (rightly) ISIS'

Try reading before you speak and you won't sound as stupid as the guy in your avatar.
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Done properly, beheading is as humane a form of execution as others. The guillotine was once viewed as an advance of civilization.
 
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