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US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

He is alone for a lot of reasons and there is no doubt he has made some horrible decisions. Now what?
I know Canada is helping and have destroyed a couple of ISIS planes, but what progress is being made is unclear. I get the feeling this will be lower profile than the last invasion.
 
He has...what...the backing of the mighty Iraqi army? A few Saudis? Where is the rest of the world?

Seriously...I want you to declare, loud and proud, that if he decided to obligate troops in a boots on the ground war, the right wouldnt lose their ****ing mind over it. Go ahead. And forget about the left. They are completely twisted over this whole thing.

That's the gist of the issue isn't it? A sizeable percentage of the Republican electorate were all in favor of withdrawing in 2011.

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Three in Four Americans Back Obama on Iraq Withdrawal

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In 2008, Republicans refused avoided the Iraq war like the plague because they knew the American populace was against it. Now they're in support of going back to fix the cluster**** started by the Bush administration? Seems like there are a lot of fairweather Republican supporters of the Iraq war. However, there isn't much Obama can do about what's going on in Iraq. Most Arab countries are useless, the coalition of the willing peaced out as far back as 2007 and Americans will support going back to Iraq as long as the caskets aren't piling up. Once they do, they'll believe we need to get out again. :shrug:
 
RIP. Life is cheap under ISIS, and Obama has allowed ISIS to flourish. These attacks will continue until our weak President decides to get serious.

And what about the beheading's by Saudi Arabia for petty crimes?

Who will stop them?

When It Comes to Beheadings, ISIS Has Nothing Over Saudi Arabia

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/10/24/...sis-has-nothing-over-saudi-arabia-277385.html

Shock over ISIS beheadings but silence over Saudi Arabia beheadings, Janine di Giovanni says oil prevents criticism

Shock over ISIS beheadings but silence over Saudi Arabia beheadings, Janine di Giovanni says oil prevents criticism | The Current with Anna Maria Tremonti | CBC Radio


To condemn (rightly) ISIS, but give Saudi Arabia a pass on beheading's is hypocritical (i.e. two faced).

Typical neocon practise...condemn atrocities of enemies, ignore them of 'allies' - makes me sick.
 
And what about the beheading's by Saudi Arabia for petty crimes?

Who will stop them?

When It Comes to Beheadings, ISIS Has Nothing Over Saudi Arabia

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/10/24/...sis-has-nothing-over-saudi-arabia-277385.html

Shock over ISIS beheadings but silence over Saudi Arabia beheadings, Janine di Giovanni says oil prevents criticism

Shock over ISIS beheadings but silence over Saudi Arabia beheadings, Janine di Giovanni says oil prevents criticism | The Current with Anna Maria Tremonti | CBC Radio


To condemn (rightly) ISIS, but give Saudi Arabia a pass on beheading's is hypocritical (i.e. two faced).

If Saudi Arabia's beheadings are a product of their judicial system, so be it. We have capital punishment in the US.
 
We're not allowed to blame Bush. It's been 6 years, and if Obama can't clean up the Middle East in that amount of time, it's time to give the job back to Republicans. What this situation needs is some good ol' Texas backbone.

There is no "cleaning up" the Middle East, at all, for Obama, Bush or anyone. Climate change and the declining importance of fossil fuels have guaranteed increasing political instability and radicalism for decades to come. With existing technologies, infrastructure, personnel, and geopolitical constraints, we can't pick off radicals faster than circumstances will convert them from the local population.
 
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If Saudi Arabia's beheadings are a product of their judicial system, so be it. We have capital punishment in the US.

For petty crimes?

'It appears that the majority of those executed (in Saudi Arabia) in August were guilty of nonlethal crimes, including drug trafficking, adultery, apostasy and "sorcery." Four members of one family, Amnesty reports, were beheaded for "receiving drugs."'

Saudi Arabia, key to Obama’s strategy, beheaded at least 8 people last month - The Washington Post

You say 'so be it' to public beheading's for 'adultery'...yes or no?
 
The Obama admin REALLY helped create ISIS, and now it has its own bit of real estate as well. This image is from 2 weeks ago-and its growing. Terror flourishes under Obama-FACT.

That's right! I forgot how much Iraqis looooooooooove being invaded, killed and tortured!11!11!11!11!!!!! And lest not forget having their homes destroyed, their infrastructure decimated, their country in shambles, all to get a "see-you-later-****-you" from the US. Like it or not, your country is responsible for the mess. Invading countries is serious business.
 
For petty crimes?

'It appears that the majority of those executed (in Saudi Arabia) in August were guilty of nonlethal crimes, including drug trafficking, adultery, apostasy and "sorcery." Four members of one family, Amnesty reports, were beheaded for "receiving drugs."'

Saudi Arabia, key to Obama’s strategy, beheaded at least 8 people last month - The Washington Post

You say 'so be it' to public beheading's for 'adultery'...yes or no?

It's not like they didn't know the downside. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
 
This is is a job for the Army supported by the Air Force. Before that happens we need to determine what is in this nation's interest.

We can stop our attack on Americans in this country by shutting down the Soviet-style EPA. We can increase our energy production here so we have less need to be involved in the Middle East. We can protect our electric grid from ground attack.

And we can choose to leave Americans who have been captured by terrorist organizations to be tortured and beheaded.

It is up to us.

Or the US can chose from this time forward to fix the errors made in the Middle East and eventually win back the trust and admiration of it's people.
 
Yes, when they pulled out any and all semblance of a stabilizing American Military presence in Iraq and then blamed it all on Clinton... .

Wait, thats not right.

If Bush created ISIS, did Clinton create Al Qaeda ?

Ah, you're kidding me, right? If you don't know this, then your knowledge of history is seriously lacking.
 
It's not like they didn't know the downside. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

I will take that as a 'yes'.

Pathetic...typical neocon hypocricy.

Your attitude is childish and I will waste no further time on you with this.


Good day.
 
There is no "cleaning up" the Middle East, at all, for Obama, Bush or anyone. Climate change and the declining importance of fossil fuels have guaranteed increasing political instability and radicalism for decades to come. With existing technologies, infrastructure, personnel, and geopolitical constraints, we can't pick off radicals faster than circumstances will convert them from the local population.



Why would fossil fuels be declining in importance ?

It's definitely NOT due to some new and credible alternative energy source.

And AGW is bull s***. Climate "change " used to be called " global warming " until it was revealed that we were actually cooling and the NOAA was using BS data to " prove " its existence.

Gruber was right to a degree. YES, there are a percentage of American voters that are idiots ( Obama Supporters ) , but they don't represent the majority of Americans.
 
That is just so pathetic and sad. We know there were experienced people watching this who knew better, who knew this to be untrue, including the Islamists, but the people bought into it and all that was gained was lost. It is a modern tragedy for sure.

Indeed, think of all the people that have and that will be killed, raped, enslaved because of our chump president and his willingness to lie for votes.
 
I will take that as a 'yes'.

Pathetic...typical neocon hypocricy.

Your attitude is childish and I will waste no further time on you with this.


Good day.

Their country, their laws. What's your issue? And btw, I'm about the farthest thing from a neocon you're likely to encounter.
 
Ah, you're kidding me, right? If you don't know this, then your knowledge of history is seriously lacking.



If you can't objectively criticize bad foreign policy ( Obama pulling ALL American Military assets out of Iraq against the better judgement of those around him who knew better ) because it contradicts with your Political affiliation then maybe you should stay put in the Partisan section of the forum.

It would appear that all the Islamic radicals need in this world to increase their numbers and power is a indifferent American Government who acts out of ideological precepts ther than intelligent Foreign Policy decisions.

And thats exactly how ISIS got their power
 
He has...what...the backing of the mighty Iraqi army? A few Saudis? Where is the rest of the world?

Seriously...I want you to declare, loud and proud, that if he decided to obligate troops in a boots on the ground war, the right wouldnt lose their ****ing mind over it. Go ahead. And forget about the left. They are completely twisted over this whole thing.

Poor poor Obama is just a slave to politics, isn't he? :doh

Americans have no confidence in Obama when it comes to terrorism, look at polling. Look at the election week before last.
 
Why would fossil fuels be declining in importance ?

It's definitely NOT due to some new and credible alternative energy source.

And AGW is bull s***. Climate "change " used to be called " global warming " until it was revealed that we were actually cooling and the NOAA was using BS data to " prove " its existence.

Gruber was right to a degree. YES, there are a percentage of American voters that are idiots ( Obama Supporters ) , but they don't represent the majority of Americans.

Well, with the human population expanding to 10,000,000,000-16,000,000,000 and the rise of the global middle class and its demand for gas hungry commodities, its going to be gone in 50 years. Those are Exxon and British Petroleum estimates on global oil reserves, not government issued ones. You might be able to squeeze out a decade or two more with advances in technology, but only so many mass extinctions (sufficient to build concentrated amounts of fossil fuel) have occurred in the past couple hundred million years.

Don't care about your climate change babble. For "whatever reason" its getting harder to grow food in the Middle East, so food prices are set to rise which is going to be sending young males directly into the ranks of crime syndicates (which in the Middle East are also usually terrorist organizations) in order to get a bigger share of the shrinking pie.

The Arab Spring itself is a result of rising food prices and its enflaming influence on ethnic and religious tension in the Middle East.
 
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I know Canada is helping and have destroyed a couple of ISIS planes, but what progress is being made is unclear. I get the feeling this will be lower profile than the last invasion.

The UK as well. The fact that this conflict STILL does not have a name says volumes, even the media will play it down because its counter to the narrative of Obama ending any war.
 
The UK as well. The fact that this conflict STILL does not have a name says volumes, even the media will play it down because its counter to the narrative of Obama ending any war.

... its Operation Inherent Resolve, and its been mentioned.
 
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