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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Oh give me a break. I am so sick of the "it's religion" crap. It's not religion, it's a perverted ideology. Plenty of non-religious ideologies have killed millions. Far more in the name of man or mans want than any religion.

    Save the anti religious rants for the philosophy forum.

    Obama has little to do with what ISIS, is doing. He can only do so much without going to war, another war we don't want or need. It's a damn shame that partisan hacks blame everything on the president like he has some almighty power or something. I saw it with Clinton, Bush and now Obama, it's just silly at this point.
    Be sick and tired all you would like but it is truth.

    Remove their religion and there is little reason to lop someone's head off screaming "Allah!" ISIS, while extreme, is not doing something entirely unique when it comes to harsh treatment of anyone they deem a problem. The entire idea of branding "religious extremism" is not new either. While I completely agree that Islam is furthest behind the evolutionary curve when it comes to growing up we have plenty of historical examples of just about all religions killing many while claiming "God's will." Fact is ISIS is not the first group to behead whomever they capture, nor are they the first group to take advantage of weakened leaders of these nations.

    Remove all of our interference in the region headed back a very long time and odds are the landscape of the region would be very different. What is so inconvenient here for everyone is Obama is now the 4th president in a row to engage in military action somewhere in Iraq for some reason. You do not get to ignore all that history just because ole (D) and (R) is getting picked on politically. Like it or not, we have been playing over there for a very long time trying to instill our brand of western ideologies in a region made up with people with no aptitude for the said ideologies we are selling.

    Another inconvenient truth is those that make up ISIS have been there a very long time and are now taking advantage of a long term civil war in Syria that we are not so responsible for, and a weak government and military in Iraq that we are entirely responsible for. Again, we do not get to re-write things today just because we are starting to realize what we have done (rather not done.) Our confusing and hypocritical foreign policy (under several Presidents now) has come back to bite us in the ass. Again.

    Fact is the Iraq government we left behind is both incompetent and weak, and in that region of the world means all those ideological differences among the splinters of their faith are showing up. Look at those that make up ISIS today and you will find plenty of ties to the region depending on leader you want to discuss. Look all over the region as a whole and you will see a group of people splintered from various faiths that cannot and usually do not get along unless they are forced to living under someone strong enough by both military and religious means. You may not like all of this but an objective review of Middle East history (both long term and recent) confirms it all.

    Case in point for it all, more people being beheaded.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground;1063984657[B
    ]For ****'s sake, the Bush Administration helped create ISIS. [/B]

    My sincere condolences to the friends and family of Mr. Kassig.
    ISIS came out of Syria and that is all on Obama. Your attempt to blame Bush is beyond pathetic.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Very sad news, another selfless individual, just there to help, senselessly murdered by an organization of pure evil.

    It's also pretty sad people want to use this as a political football, but it's the usual, juvenile lot that are incapable of viewing the world through any other prism except their politics.

    There aren't many black and white moments in a world full of contradiction and contrast, where one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter etc.

    But in this case, often a rarity, we really do have an organization, that is evil and that must be wiped out from the face of the Earth.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Be sick and tired all you would like but it is truth.

    Remove their religion and there is little reason to lop someone's head off screaming "Allah!" ISIS, while extreme, is not doing something entirely unique when it comes to harsh treatment of anyone they deem a problem. The entire idea of branding "religious extremism" is not new either. While I completely agree that Islam is furthest behind the evolutionary curve when it comes to growing up we have plenty of historical examples of just about all religions killing many while claiming "God's will." Fact is ISIS is not the first group to behead whomever they capture, nor are they the first group to take advantage of weakened leaders of these nations.

    Remove all of our interference in the region headed back a very long time and odds are the landscape of the region would be very different. What is so inconvenient here for everyone is Obama is now the 4th president in a row to engage in military action somewhere in Iraq for some reason. You do not get to ignore all that history just because ole (D) and (R) is getting picked on politically. Like it or not, we have been playing over there for a very long time trying to instill our brand of western ideologies in a region made up with people with no aptitude for the said ideologies we are selling.

    Another inconvenient truth is those that make up ISIS have been there a very long time and are now taking advantage of a long term civil war in Syria that we are not so responsible for, and a weak government and military in Iraq that we are entirely responsible for. Again, we do not get to re-write things today just because we are starting to realize what we have done (rather not done.) Our confusing and hypocritical foreign policy (under several Presidents now) has come back to bite us in the ass. Again.

    Fact is the Iraq government we left behind is both incompetent and weak, and in that region of the world means all those ideological differences among the splinters of their faith are showing up. Look at those that make up ISIS today and you will find plenty of ties to the region depending on leader you want to discuss. Look all over the region as a whole and you will see a group of people splintered from various faiths that cannot and usually do not get along unless they are forced to living under someone strong enough by both military and religious means. You may not like all of this but an objective review of Middle East history (both long term and recent) confirms it all.
    An entire rant that did not address anything I said or back up what you said....

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Horrible but predictable news. And, I agree it is terrible about aid workers and so forth being the targets that end up beheaded on the internet.

    As unfortunate and cruel as it will sound, the families pleas had little hope of doing much. This is the true nature of religion, cutting someone's head off and screaming about God while doing so. ISIS is too convinced they are doing what is right, and too firmly entrenched in the regions they now occupy taking advantage of a long term civil war in one nation and a weak government in another.

    All that said we are here now due to decades of interceding in the region trying to convince a group of people to adopt western governmental and sociological ideologies that said people in the region have no aptitude for, and primarily because of this horrible religion they mostly follow.

    Society will never advance all that far so long as we are held back by these relics of human design.
    That is what I was addressing. You have yet to prove that...

    Taking off heads is the "true" nature of religion or that religion is somehow holding society back.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    These people have been very true to their word. "Pay us off or we kill the person" results in the person being killed if they are not paid off and the person not being killed if they are paid off. It is just a matter of whether or not people are willing to pay for someone else's life. Clearly they have not been willing to do so when it comes to the recent beheadings. Whether or not we should pay them off is debatable, the outcome if we do not is not.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    An entire rant that did not address anything I said or back up what you said....



    That is what I was addressing. You have yet to prove that...

    loping off heads is the "true" nature of religion or that religion is somehow holding society back.
    So you have never had a history course covering monotheism?

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    So you have never had a history course covering monotheism?
    I was an anthropology major in colledge. I have probably forgotten more than you actually know. That however is not what we are discussing.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    I was an anthropology major in colledge. I have probably forgotten more than you actually know. That however is not what we are discussing.
    So you are going to pretend the core Monotheism religions were always about peace. That is a laugh.

    Your anthropology major should have come with the knowledge conclusively of our propensity for going to war over ideology, especially those based on systems of belief. Religions. It should have taught you overwhelmingly our human nature of being intentionally divisive along these lines and resorting to eventual violence to settle who is right.

    You can challenge all you would like that we have the philosophical, sociological, and even evolutionary means to avoid these things. But we have something holding us back at every step. Ideological religious differences. The entire history of humanity is plagued with this and all it took to make matters much worse was the establishment of community (in anthropological terms) rooted in systems of belief. You cannot claim anthropology taught you otherwise no matter what your personal system of belief is.

    Either you forgot too much from anthropology, or replaced it with a sunshine and roses view of humanity under religions.

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    On a positive note, "Jihadi Johnny" has allegedly been wounded and captured.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    But we have something holding us back at every step. Ideological religious differences. The entire history of humanity is plagued with this and all it took to make matters much worse was the establishment of community (in anthropological terms) rooted in systems of belief. You cannot claim anthropology taught you otherwise no matter what your personal system of belief is.

    Either you forgot too much from anthropology, or replaced it with a sunshine and roses view of humanity under religions.
    It isn't the religion. It's the human mind and the human condition, and the fact that since we think, and we reason, we want answers to those things that we don't understand. Humans have been killing each other since the dawning of mankind, before there was any formalized religion. Even as recent as the Americas in pre-colonial times, tribes were killing each other- not over religious differences, but over the fact that they didn't consider each other to even be human. It's a human problem, not a religion problem. The religion is the result of the much larger problem, not the cause.
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