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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Kobie, the comparison being made is that they are absolutely evil (unless you are a fan) like the Nazi's or Stalin. Its NOT that they are the same type of threat, or should be fought the same way.
    That certainly seems to be the comparison matchlight was making.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ummm... no you claimed that they wanted to work with us and wanted us to stay. For the Iraqis, "working with us" meant giving up extraterritoriality. That's not only insane it's downright unacceptable by any first world military fighting a war on behalf of another country. Maliki didn't want us to stay and the fact that giving up extraterritoriality was a demand made by him proves that. Are you kidding?
    Both Maliki, and the ambassador wanted very much wanted to work with us-to the point that Maliki even made suggestions. Thats what I said.

    The point, is that Obama was not some poor bystander helpless to intervene-he COULD HAVE done something-but he did not.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Both Maliki, and the ambassador wanted very much wanted to work with us-to the point that Maliki even made suggestions. Thats what I said.

    The point, is that Obama was not some poor bystander helpless to intervene-he COULD HAVE done something-but he did not.
    What part of the fact that the Iraqis would not budge on us giving up extraterritoriality is not penetrating that brick wall surrounding your cranium? That is a non-starter. Period.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    We really needed to leave Iraq.
    Hey at least you can come out and say it-you were willing to leave Iraq to the wolves if it suited you. It wasn't about Iraq for Obama either-it was about how to take full advantage of the situation for political capital.

    Now, since you and I agree something should now be done-the question is WHAT. We know that a few airstrikes here or there make for good news coverage but they aren't substantive. Boots on the ground are. And since we should never fight a war without being willing to fight it-I think we should deploy forces first to expel ISIS, and then to maintain a limited security presence for as long as is needed-NOT until a date on a calendar is reached.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Both Maliki, and the ambassador wanted very much wanted to work with us-to the point that Maliki even made suggestions. Thats what I said.

    The point, is that Obama was not some poor bystander helpless to intervene-he COULD HAVE done something-but he did not.
    This is so ridiculous, it's almost contrary to every fact you've posted so far. Do you realize that extraterritoriality (demanded by Maliki and Iraqi government - as per your source) was not a demand that the US could meet? That makes the claim that they wanted us to stay complete bull****.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What part of the fact that the Iraqis would not budge on us giving up extraterritoriality is not penetrating that brick wall surrounding your cranium? That is a non-starter. Period.
    I just linked to an appeal by 2 members of Iraq's govt, including Maliki that were willing to sidestep this, and they quickly did when we eventually DID come back in (too little, too late-aka the story of Obama).

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I just linked to an appeal by 2 members of Iraq's govt, including Maliki that were willing to sidestep this, and they quickly did when we eventually DID come back in (too little, too late-aka the story of Obama).
    You really don't read your own source, do you?

    But ultimately, the Iraqis did insist that a new SOFA had to go through their parliament and they would not budge on the immunities issue, which made an extension of U.S. forces there impossible, Jeffrey said. He said the insistence on immunity was uniform inside the Obama administration.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is so ridiculous, it's almost contrary to every fact you've posted so far. Do you realize that extraterritoriality (demanded by Maliki and Iraqi government - as per your source) was not a demand that the US could meet? That makes the claim that they wanted us to stay complete bull****.
    You are making inferences here-jumps-that should not be made. Maliki TOLD Obama to make it an executive agreement, to sidestep the difficulties in getting a sofa agreement.

    And in truth, a better president wouldn't have had any trouble getting through an agreement but as we see demonstrated nearly daily, our POTUS is not such a good leader.

    Obama's shortcomings have put us here. Own it.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You really don't read your own source, do you?
    You forgot this part:

    "I know of no senior official who challenged that," he said.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You really don't read your own source, do you?
    Kobie, Ive read all about this, you are on page 1. I will wait for the requisite background knowledge to be imprinted into you.

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