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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So its the pentagons fault now, eh?
    Depends on what you are talking about when you say "It".

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Curiously, this is almost the exact word usage used by Israel in dealing with its issues. Whenever the Palestinians get out of hand, they 'mow the lawn'.

    Anyway, have fun promoting wars and fighting emotions for the next 60 years. And don't ever be under the impression that you're not a socialist (since you believe in spending and redistributing wealth via the government).
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Here you go.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/22/wo...-to-leave.html

    ". . . At the end of the Bush administration, when the Status of Forces Agreement, or SOFA, was negotiated, setting 2011 as the end of the United States’ military role, officials had said the deadline was set for political reasons, to put a symbolic end to the occupation and establish Iraq’s sovereignty. But there was an understanding, a senior official here said, that a sizable American force would stay in Iraq beyond that date. . . ."
    Ah, so you can't actually refer the agreement itself? Good. I didn't think you could either. You have to rely on the beliefs of unnamed sources. It's a terrible thing that how people think agreements will be implemented and what is actually written into them are two different things. Now, can you provide anything from the agreement itself to prove this claim: "the agreement was written that way to leave BHO a free hand"? Yes or no answer.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Iraq was willing to work with us, Obama continued to change the rules and make the iraqi's jump through hoops. And, as SOON as ISIS started its advance, Obama had no issue quickly getting a SOFA overnight.
    Well, when ISIS started advancing, the 25 Billion Dollar (USD) Iraqi army promptly folded. Prior to that, Malaki was in Iran's pocket and was Iran was vehement that no American troops were to remain in Iraq.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah, so you can't actually refer the agreement itself? Good. I didn't think you could either. You have to rely on the beliefs of unnamed sources. It's a terrible thing that how people think agreements will be implemented and what is actually written into them are two different things. Now, can you provide anything from the agreement itself to prove this claim: "the agreement was written that way to leave BHO a free hand"? Yes or no answer.
    That is the way of almost all agreements, and you are either a novice or willfully obtuse if you don't know that. Had such language been in the agreement its political purpose could not have been accomplished.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Well, when ISIS started advancing, the 25 Billion Dollar (USD) Iraqi army promptly folded. Prior to that, Malaki was in Iran's pocket and was Iran was vehement that no American troops were to remain in Iraq.
    Thats nice, but understand the point-the insurmountable task of getting a sofa agreement was done in a few hours. Obama caught in yet another lie.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Iraq was willing to work with us,
    Ah, so Iraq asked for US forces to stay past the 2011 deadline. Fine. Show us how? Remember, for this statement to be true, Iraq's demands need to have come before the deadline. So I'll wait for you to provide evidence.

    Obama continued to change the rules and make the iraqi's jump through hoops. And, as SOON as ISIS started its advance, Obama had no issue quickly getting a SOFA overnight. Just like its done all over the nation.

    We all know its an excuse pal, just admit it.
    Your refusal to even provide a modicum of proof is really funny. However, it doesn't make your false claims true.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats nice, but understand the point-the insurmountable task of getting a sofa agreement was done in a few hours. Obama caught in yet another lie.
    It was not insurmountable; Malaki just didn't want to sign it because he was a sectarian thug controlled by Iran. ISIS came about in part due to Malaki's actions, and Malaki was no longer in a position to play games when his army sh*t its collective pants.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That is the way of almost all agreements, and you are either a novice or willfully obtuse if you don't know that. Had such language been in the agreement its political purpose could not have been accomplished.
    Last post where I ask you to show us where the agreement left Obama "a free hand". Now, I won't even begin to address the moronic belief that agreements are bound by the expectations of people who don't sign them or write them. However, I will say this, if you continue to claim that it was written with a language that allowed leniency on the deadlines, I'll continue to ask you where in the text one can find such language and laugh as you are totally incapable of doing so.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Last post where I ask you to show us where the agreement left Obama "a free hand". Now, I won't even begin to address the moronic belief that agreements are bound by the expectations of people who don't sign them or write them. However, I will say this, if you continue to claim that it was written with a language that allowed leniency on the deadlines, I'll continue to ask you where in the text one can find such language and laugh as you are totally incapable of doing so.
    There was never "leniency" anywhere, but there was a near universal expectation that a new agreement would be negotiated before the 2011 deadline, and that new agreement would provide for a residual US troop presence.
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