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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    The only way to end Islamic extremism in the Middle East -- through force -- is to literally tear the whole place down and rebuild it from the ground up. Good luck getting public support for that, and good luck paying for it.
    I dont think thats feasible, but its also not needed. The US is the lawnmower, and ISIS are the weeds. We have a choice, do nothing and live amongst the weeds or mow them down. Its a constant chore, like laundry or washing your car-but its worth the effort.

    So, you can continue to appease terror, but I wont have it. And once this chump is out of office, neither will the next potus.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    As already pointed out, the 2008 agreement set 2011 as the end point in order to leave BHO a free hand. No one imagined BHO would opt for a zero force level.
    You keep lying? Why? Can you tell us where in this text you see 2011 as the "end point" for anything? The agreement actually set the withdrawal point for all US troops for that date.

    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf

    All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory nolater than December 31, 2011.
    It was fulfilled. Do you have a problem with the Obama administration fulfilling the agreements by previous administrations?
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I saw Chuck Todd on Charlie Rose talking about his new book about Obama. One of the points they discussed was that Obama and the Pentagon just did not click well. No matter how many times he asked them and in how many different ways, they would not give him any proposals, for instance, that did not involve a surge in Afghanistan even when he was trying to find out if there were other postures we could be taking other than flooding the country with boots. Unfortunately, that pile of dung he was left included a mindset that probably cost people life and limb that possibly could have been avoided.
    So its the pentagons fault now, eh?

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you have a problem with the Obama administration fulfilling the agreements by previous administrations?
    I have a problem with Obama giving terrorists the time, space, and moral permission to flourish-and then blaming it on his predecessor. Your lame attempted excuse (Obama's just following orders/here to do his job/etc) just doesn't fly.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I have a problem with Obama giving terrorists the time, space, and moral permission to flourish-and then blaming it on his predecessor. Your lame attempted excuse (Obama's just following orders/here to do his job/etc) just doesn't fly.
    Ah, my lame attempt. It's good you've come back to discuss this issue. Considering you keep regurgitating the lie that Obama "lost a peace" that was never in existence. Can you tell us which part of the Iraqi withdrawal agreement shouldn't have been fulfilled and under what legal premise?

    Or are you going to continue lying you ass off on who signed the agreement, why and what it involved?
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont think thats feasible, but its also not needed. The US is the lawnmower, and ISIS are the weeds.
    Curiously, this is almost the exact word usage used by Israel in dealing with its issues. Whenever the Palestinians get out of hand, they 'mow the lawn'.

    Anyway, have fun promoting wars and fighting emotions for the next 60 years. And don't ever be under the impression that you're not a socialist (since you believe in spending and redistributing wealth via the government).

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You keep lying? Why? Can you tell us where in this text you see 2011 as the "end point" for anything? The agreement actually set the withdrawal point for all US troops for that date.

    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf



    It was fulfilled. Do you have a problem with the Obama administration fulfilling the agreements by previous administrations?
    For the third time, the agreement was written that way to leave BHO a free hand. The assumption of all concerned was that by 2011 the BHO team would have formulated their strategy and would negotiate accordingly. No one believed this would lead to a zero option.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    For the third time, the agreement was written that way to leave BHO a free hand. The assumption of all concerned was that by 2011 the BHO team would have formulated their strategy and would negotiate accordingly. No one believed this would lead to a zero option.
    Was it now? Show us how and where. Tell us where it allowed "a free hand". I'll wait.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Was it now? Show us how and where. Tell us where it allowed "a free hand". I'll wait.
    Here you go.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/22/wo...-to-leave.html

    ". . . At the end of the Bush administration, when the Status of Forces Agreement, or SOFA, was negotiated, setting 2011 as the end of the United Statesí military role, officials had said the deadline was set for political reasons, to put a symbolic end to the occupation and establish Iraqís sovereignty. But there was an understanding, a senior official here said, that a sizable American force would stay in Iraq beyond that date. . . ."
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah, my lame attempt. It's good you've come back to discuss this issue. Considering you keep regurgitating the lie that Obama "lost a peace" that was never in existence. Can you tell us which part of the Iraqi withdrawal agreement shouldn't have been fulfilled and under what legal premise?

    Or are you going to continue lying you ass off on who signed the agreement, why and what it involved?
    Iraq was willing to work with us, Obama continued to change the rules and make the iraqi's jump through hoops. And, as SOON as ISIS started its advance, Obama had no issue quickly getting a SOFA overnight. Just like its done all over the nation.

    We all know its an excuse pal, just admit it.

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