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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Everybody is lost. They dont know what side to take until after he has actually acted.
    I know what side I'm on. Getting us into Iraq is and will always be bull****. However, in our third intervention, it's now obvious that - deposing Saddam left a void (like Cheney predicted in the 90s), that void was filled by insurgents from the beginning (predicted by Cheney again) and going in a third time is likely to turn Iraq into ... well.. another ****ty war we fight thanks to the rehashed white man's burden so many neoconservatives have.

    Iraq is not like Korea, Germany or like Japan. Those countries weren't based on tribal factions and a borderline psychotic adherence to religious beliefs. For the most part, they were nations based on laws before we gave them democratic rule. Why do you think China is communist today? It's a country founded on strongman rule. It is a country where democracy and discussion was second to imperial rule and the Mandate of Heaven.

    Going into Iraq a 3rd time will be a mistake if we go at it alone and the way it looks, that's how it's going to be. Unless we can shore up support from other nations, we're looking at thousands of American men and women dying for nothing other than the same neoconservative bull**** we've been dealt for nearly 15 years.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What now? We focus on what NEEDS to be done, and thats boots on the ground, not a dog an pony show of airstrikes that aren't definitive.
    In medicine, you treat the cause of the problems-and the symptoms resolve.
    ISIS is a symptom of a weak leader who WONT act. Said another way, this dog wont hunt.
    Conservatives have no plan, and neocons have an even worse plan. You could kill every ISIS member and it wouldn't solve a damned thing. It would actually cause more extremism, and promote the belief to Islamic nations that America will take care of their problems if they ever get out of hand.

    You're an enabler.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I know what side I'm on. Getting us into Iraq is and will always be bull****. However, in our third intervention, it's now obvious that - deposing Saddam left a void (like Cheney predicted in the 90s), that void was filled by insurgents from the beginning (predicted by Cheney again) and going in a third time is likely to turn Iraq into ... well.. another ****ty war we fight thanks to the rehashed white man's burden so many neoconservatives have.

    Iraq is not like Korea, Germany or like Japan. Those countries weren't based on tribal factions and a borderline psychotic adherence to religious beliefs. For the most part, they were nations based on laws before we gave them democratic rule. Why do you think China is communist today? It's a country founded on strongman rule. It is a country where democracy and discussion was second to imperial rule and the Mandate of Heaven.

    Going into Iraq a 3rd time will be a mistake if we go at it alone and the way it looks, that's how it's going to be. Unless we can shore up support from other nations, we're looking at thousands of American men and women dying for nothing other than the same neoconservative bull**** we've been dealt for nearly 15 years.
    We would not have to go back if BHO had not thrown away GWB's Iraq victory. Now we have to try something difficult to recover what was once already in our hands.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Seems to me like he fixed just about everything except for the Middle East, which is not America's to fix.
    "Fixed" might be the right word for it.
    Nothing is fixed. Everything is broken in a way that pleases the authoritarian statists.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    We would not have to go back if BHO had not thrown away GWB's Iraq victory. Now we have to try something difficult to recover what was once already in our hands.
    Ah, rehashing the same old lie. Who signed the withdrawal agreement of 2008? Thanks.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah, rehashing the same old lie. Who signed the withdrawal agreement of 2008? Thanks.
    As already pointed out, the 2008 agreement set 2011 as the end point in order to leave BHO a free hand. No one imagined BHO would opt for a zero force level.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Conservatives have no plan, and neocons have an even worse plan. You could kill every ISIS member and it wouldn't solve a damned thing. It would actually cause more extremism, and promote the belief to Islamic nations that America will take care of their problems if they ever get out of hand.

    You're an enabler.
    Islamism is flourishing under Obama, we dont want to MORE extremism so we better keep quiet.

    Still comments like yours offer a valuable lesson-into the mindset of appeasers like those that tried the same with hitler.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    As already pointed out, the 2008 agreement set 2011 as the end point in order to leave BHO a free hand. No one imagined BHO would opt for a zero force level.
    Indeed, and now Iraq is burning.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    You should also recognize that Obama was gifted with a huge pile of dung left over by Bush... Afghanistan, Iraq and an economy in complete shambles. The Obama Administration certainly made their share of mistakes, but nothing short of Jesus could have managed to wholly fix what a mass **** up they inherited.
    I saw Chuck Todd on Charlie Rose talking about his new book about Obama. One of the points they discussed was that Obama and the Pentagon just did not click well. No matter how many times he asked them and in how many different ways, they would not give him any proposals, for instance, that did not involve a surge in Afghanistan even when he was trying to find out if there were other postures we could be taking other than flooding the country with boots. Unfortunately, that pile of dung he was left included a mindset that probably cost people life and limb that possibly could have been avoided.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Islamism is flourishing under Obama, we dont want to MORE extremism so we better keep quiet.
    The only way to end Islamic extremism in the Middle East -- through force -- is to literally tear the whole place down and rebuild it from the ground up. Good luck getting public support for that, and good luck paying for it.

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