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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Condolences to his family, their pleas seam to have been ignored.

    I'm particularly angry about the deaths of aid workers, people who have gone to help - been captured by the very people they went to help, handed over to jihadists and then beheaded.
    Horrible but predictable news. And, I agree it is terrible about aid workers and so forth being the targets that end up beheaded on the internet.

    As unfortunate and cruel as it will sound, the families pleas had little hope of doing much. This is the true nature of religion, cutting someone's head off and screaming about God while doing so. ISIS is too convinced they are doing what is right, and too firmly entrenched in the regions they now occupy taking advantage of a long term civil war in one nation and a weak government in another.

    All that said we are here now due to decades of interceding in the region trying to convince a group of people to adopt western governmental and sociological ideologies that said people in the region have no aptitude for, and primarily because of this horrible religion they mostly follow.

    Society will never advance all that far so long as we are held back by these relics of human design.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Condolences to his family, their pleas seam to have been ignored.

    I'm particularly angry about the deaths of aid workers, people who have gone to help - been captured by the very people they went to help, handed over to jihadists and then beheaded.
    That is not quite true. The aid workers are in direct and head on competition to the terrorists. They are delivering a public good that is highly important to stabilizing and deepening IS power. Competition would defuse allegiance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    RIP. Life is cheap under ISIS, and Obama has allowed ISIS to flourish. These attacks will continue until our weak President decides to get serious.
    One problem we have is that we cannot stop the terrorists. These movements go on and on. When I was a kid they were already targeting Americans. So we can wipe up the mess in Syria and Iraq for maybe $ 1/2 trillion. But we are not willing to do the nastiness necessary to quiet the bad guys for good.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    How has our President been weak in terms of handling ISIS, and what does it mean to get serious?
    It appears that "getting serious" means engaging in an endless ground war against largely unknown folks in a large portion of the world while pumping massive amounts of aid to the very governments that allowed them free reign to do so. Of course, if the gov'ts in the region decide to do some beheading of their own then we must topple them as well - rinse and repeat.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Much as I love pointing out the many flaws and weaknesses of Obama, I dont know what more Obama can do right now. He underestimated the threat of ISIS...sure. He mishandled the Iraqi troop pullout, screwed up the negotiation process which involved leaving a significant deterrent force in place, (ignoring even his own political advisers) true. But...after ISIS began rolling he engaged and is still engaging using really the only tools at his disposal. If he goes in full bore, guns blazing, people on the right will be critical of engaging. If he does nothing, people on the right will be critical of doing nothing. His Obots will defend him no matter what but many on the left will just accuse him of going to war to appease the eeeeevil right wing neocons. And as of this writing, the world doesnt appear to be lining up to help out. Realistically, the drone attacks and air strikes are his best option.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Obama needs to follow Bush's lead and launch another multi-trillion dollar war in the Middle East. Then babysit the nations he topples/agitates indefinitely so that civil war doesn't break out. Perhaps he can drop bundles of money on the doorsteps of tribal leaders so that they have an incentive not to kill each other. Although wealth redistribution doesn't work in America (according to conservatives), it might work in the Middle East.
    Perhaps this can be tried in parts of Chicago just to test the theory and to help refine our tactics. If we cannot control street gangs in our own cities then controlling ISIS is clearly not possible. The best one can hope for is to limit their territory (and thus their victim pool?) to designated "tribal zones".
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    My sincere condolences to his family, colleague's, and friends.

    There is no easy solution to ISIS and their ilk. Whatever has happened in the past, Obama today has few viable ISIS options available without committing/expending an unacceptable level of additional American blood and treasure.


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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    RIP. Life is cheap under ISIS, and Obama has allowed ISIS to flourish. These attacks will continue until our weak President decides to get serious.
    For ****'s sake, the Bush Administration helped create ISIS.

    My sincere condolences to the friends and family of Mr. Kassig.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Horrible but predictable news. And, I agree it is terrible about aid workers and so forth being the targets that end up beheaded on the internet.

    As unfortunate and cruel as it will sound, the families pleas had little hope of doing much. This is the true nature of religion, cutting someone's head off and screaming about God while doing so. ISIS is too convinced they are doing what is right, and too firmly entrenched in the regions they now occupy taking advantage of a long term civil war in one nation and a weak government in another.

    All that said we are here now due to decades of interceding in the region trying to convince a group of people to adopt western governmental and sociological ideologies that said people in the region have no aptitude for, and primarily because of this horrible religion they mostly follow.

    Society will never advance all that far so long as we are held back by these relics of human design.
    Oh give me a break. I am so sick of the "it's religion" crap. It's not religion, it's a perverted ideology. Plenty of non-religious ideologies have killed millions. Far more in the name of man or mans want than any religion.

    Save the anti religious rants for the philosophy forum.

    Obama has little to do with what ISIS, is doing. He can only do so much without going to war, another war we don't want or need. It's a damn shame that partisan hacks blame everything on the president like he has some almighty power or something. I saw it with Clinton, Bush and now Obama, it's just silly at this point.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Obama needs to follow Bush's lead and launch another multi-trillion dollar war in the Middle East...
    At this point it certainly would be better than the old Kennedy/LBJ model of ramping up more and more involvement while denying it, then just feeding our sons and daughters into the sausage grinder they create...

    According to the Obama/average liberal progressive claim in '08, all we had to do was get our big, clumsy boots off their soil, and all would be fixed. Instead what the world saw was a progressive President that struck out to apologize, and lick the boot of our enemies all over the ME, if not the world, and knew from that moment that Obama was a fool, and America was now toothless in action...This breeds groups like ISIS, and to date, Obama, has done little, to nothing other than lip service to address it...

    He struck out to make sure that we knew that we were no more exceptional than a Greece, or France, or England, and by God, he is succeeding in making damned sure that is the case.
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