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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you even HEAR yourself? You read about a successful attack on 10 ISIS leaders and your first thought was that he did it wrong.

    Dood...seriously. Maybe its you.
    No, it's you-- seriously. Obviously something was done wrong, when the two most valuable targets, by far, were allowed to get away to murder more people. The only way that could have happened is for someone--and for an operation this important that can only have been Mr. Obama--to have restrained the military commanders from using enough force to be sure of killing every single person in, under, or near that house.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If the most powerful military on the planet cannot defeat an enemy with no air force, no navy and a rag-tag, at best, army in under a decade then we have a terrible battle plan. Remember that our very presence (mere existence?) is seen as an act of aggression to these Jihadists. Just how many decades of "war on terror" are you willing to accept?
    That has amazed me and more and more raises the Eisenhower "military industrial complex" idea. Almost a decade and a half ago the US led an international force into a middle ages country where they launched 1980's rockets from horseback. Now, after most of the allies have left, there is no real "end" in sight, but I do see a Vietnam style pull out. Some say another ten years, Canadian soldiers who fought in Kandhar tell me it can't be "won" in the traditional sense.

    The the US invaded Iraq, with no reason, which certainly made every Iraqi a stars and stripes waving fan of the US. Now the US is re-entering that conflict with "no boots on the ground " except for those 1,500 Obama sent the day after the election.

    So how long this time? Obama said, I think, four years, which in Obama speak is never since he will have no say, but his successor will have "inherited this mess."

    So, as you ask, when? When, if ever, is there to be an end to the US waging war? is there supposed to be an end? Ever?

    And as we ask, let's also ask who is making the most money in these wars? The military industrial complex?

    Not a chance.......now where's that remote...?
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We do have a terrible battle plan beacause-WE AREN'T FIGHTING. And to make that worse, we TELL our enemy when we are going to leave.

    Im willing to fight terror as long as it takes, Im NOT willing to surrender to evil, and it appears you are. Thats the difference.
    We are not even willing to fight terror, in the form of gang violence, in Chicago.

    These ISIS slugs are quite willing to die for a cause, yet hide behind masks and use their women and children as human shields to hide behind. We lack the will to take out a village or city block to get them yet they will wipe out entire family trees of those that dare to report their location. It is an endless game of whack-a-mole. The "good Muslims" are worthless, spineless, maggots that are unworthy of our protection and seem to demand to be paid to let us try to fight for them.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    For ****'s sake, the Bush Administration helped create ISIS.

    My sincere condolences to the friends and family of Mr. Kassig.

    Yes, when they pulled out any and all semblance of a stabilizing American Military presence in Iraq and then blamed it all on Clinton... .

    Wait, thats not right.

    If Bush created ISIS, did Clinton create Al Qaeda ?

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    What's really bothering me about the whole thing is that we have spent more than a decade and trillions of dollars on our campaigns in the Middle East, and yet it can still produce foes to be reckoned with like ISIS. The original military strategists who examined the situation in Afghanistan told our government and allies (and the public) that the strategy to take and hold onto our ME assets would only succeed if we won the hearts and minds of the people there. The problem is that it would always be extremely difficult because despite having centralized governments, many of these countries are still heavily divided into tribal factions who will never answer to anyone.

    I think what we're seeing here is what has always plagued any attempts to dominate and empire build in the ME. The tribes there hate one another but they hate foreigners even more, and they're consolidating. I don't see how we can hold our own long enough to create a stable situation where we're on top. These wars are pretty much bankrupting us as a nation. Of course, the military industrial complex is making a crap load of money off it.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    For ****'s sake, the Bush Administration helped create ISIS.
    A nonsensical falsehood.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    You accused someone of a personal attack after you just claimed to have forgotten more than they know. Do you know the definition of the word, hypocrite?
    What I said was in no way a personal attack. It was an answer to a really dumb question.

    in your case, a sharp tongue is no indication of a keen mind.
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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    What's really bothering me about the whole thing is that we have spent more than a decade and trillions of dollars on our campaigns in the Middle East, and yet it can still produce foes to be reckoned with like ISIS. The original military strategists who examined the situation in Afghanistan told our government and allies (and the public) that the strategy to take and hold onto our ME assets would only succeed if we won the hearts and minds of the people there. The problem is that it would always be extremely difficult because despite having centralized governments, many of these countries are still heavily divided into tribal factions who will never answer to anyone.

    I think what we're seeing here is what has always plagued any attempts to dominate and empire build in the ME. The tribes there hate one another but they hate foreigners even more, and they're consolidating. I don't see how we can hold our own long enough to create a stable situation where we're on top. These wars are pretty much bankrupting us as a nation. Of course, the military industrial complex is making a crap load of money off it.
    It was precisely the lack of action that allowed ISIS to flourish. And yes, without a sustained and committed presence they will come back. Welcome to vigilance in the war on terror.

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    We are not even willing to fight terror, in the form of gang violence, in Chicago.

    These ISIS slugs are quite willing to die for a cause, yet hide behind masks and use their women and children as human shields to hide behind. We lack the will to take out a village or city block to get them yet they will wipe out entire family trees of those that dare to report their location. It is an endless game of whack-a-mole. The "good Muslims" are worthless, spineless, maggots that are unworthy of our protection and seem to demand to be paid to let us try to fight for them.
    We aren't talking about (Obama's) Chicago. WE dont lack the will-YOU lack the will. You are content with ISIS flourishing and I am not. Just admit the difference, is it that hard?

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    Re: US hostage Kassig 'killed by IS'

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    What I said was in no way a personal attack. It was an answer to a really dumb question.

    in your case, a sharp tongue is no indication of a keen mind.
    On second thought, I agree with you. I do think you've forgotten more than he knows.

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