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    Re: Vladimir Putin stations Russian warships off Australia's coast ahead of G20

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    You think Putin is compensating for something?
    Yes, Russia being a shell of its' former Soviet self (even though the USSR was more than just Russia) and a relative crap-hole. He puts on a show because the reality of Russia's situation isn't too pretty.
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    Re: Vladimir Putin stations Russian warships off Australia's coast ahead of G20

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Kilo's are 20 year old technology.

    And finding an SSK has always been more annoyance than anything. They can operate best in shallow, coastal waters. Not in blue waters where carriers operate.
    During the summer of 2013 during the Putin/Obama stare down over Syria when Obama blinked, one Slava class cruiser kept a U.S. Navy carrier bottled up in the Red Sea. No way was that carrier going to transit the Suez Canal and enter the Mediterranean Sea with a Slava class cruiser that was designed and built for only one purpose, to sink U.S. super carriers.

    It's not the ship that the U.S. Navy is scared of, it's the 16 SS-N-12 Sandox supersonic anti ship missiles traveling at Mach 2.5 skimming just above the water with a 2,000 lb. semi armor piercing warhead.

    Remember that the Slava's don't operate alone, they have AA, ASW escorts and attack subs as escorts.


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    >" While most missiles launchers that have been converted to fire standard missiles, these launchers retained the original missile that they were designed for. The missile launchers fire P-500 Bazalt/SS-N-12 Sandbox missiles. The missile is similar to the original model but the guidance systems have been improved on the missiles. The missiles are the predecessor to the Shipwreck missile carried on the Kirov class The missiles can be fired be fired at either ground or surface targets but cannot be targeted on air targets. The ships has 16 Sandbox missiles in paired launch systems on the sides of the ship. The missiles are considered smart missiles (+5 to strike, +4 to dodge, and 2 attacks per melee until they strike their target or run out of fuel) and can be launched at multiple targets simultaneously. The missiles travel at a speed of Mach 2.2 (1657 mph/ 1440 knots/ 2667 kph). This calculates to a speed of 7.5 miles (6.5 nautical miles / 12 km) per melee. Missiles can withstand 40 MDC before being destroyed.
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    Payload: 16 Shipwreck Missiles (2 per paired set of launchers)..."<
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    Re: Vladimir Putin stations Russian warships off Australia's coast ahead of G20

    16 cruise missiles could never swamp the air defenses of a carrier battle group.

    A single Burke class escort alone could launch FOUR Standard II missiles to intercept for each anti ship missile the Slava launched.

    A massed missile attack with Backfire bombers would probably be the only way you could swamp the defenses of a CBG.

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    Re: Vladimir Putin stations Russian warships off Australia's coast ahead of G20

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The Black Sea does not belong to Russia. Period.
    I never said it did.

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    Re: Vladimir Putin stations Russian warships off Australia's coast ahead of G20

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    >" The Defense Ministry has ordered a total of six Varshavyanka-class subs, dubbed "black holes in the ocean" by the US Navy because they are nearly undetectable when submerged..."<

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    >"The Project 636 Kilo-class submarine has been dubbed the “black hole” by the U.S. Navy for its level of quietness. The Project 636MV-class sub has improved stealth features through the removal of flooding ports and treating the hull with multilayer anechoic rubber tiles. The tiles are fitted on casings and fins to absorb active sonar waves that reduce and distort the return signal. The anechoic tiles also shield sounds from within the submarine thus reducing the range of detection by passive sonar.

    The improved Kilo is 73.8 meters (242 ft.) in length, 9.9 meters (32.4 ft.) in width with a draft of 6.2 meters (20.34 ft.). It has a surface displacement of 2,350 tons and can dive up to quarter of a mile. The improved Kilo is powered by diesel-electric engines. It has a range of 9,650 km (5,996 miles) and can travel 700 km (434 miles) underwater at 2.7 knots (5 km/hour) at quiet speed. The Kilo can reach a top speed of 20 knots (37 km/hour). Vietnam apparently has not opted for the Air Independent Propulsion system that would permit extended time on patrol. The Improved Kilo has a crew of 57.

    The Project 636MV submarine has six 533-mm forward torpedo tubes. It can carry 18 torpedoes (six loaded in the tubes and 12 in racks) or 24 mines (two in each tube and 12 in racks). Two of the torpedo tubes are designed to fire remote-controlled torpedoes with very high accuracy. The improved Kilo can also fire anti-ship cruise missiles from its torpedo tubes. The Kilo also carries MANPADS Strela-3 antiaircraft missiles..."<

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    Diesel subs are useless against a blue water fleet simply because they cannot catch it.

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    Re: Vladimir Putin stations Russian warships off Australia's coast ahead of G20

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    You have a guided missile cruiser? You are the coolest dude on DP.

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    While I was the Officer of the Deck the ship, and everything on board was my responsibility, yes, it was in effect mine.

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    Re: Vladimir Putin stations Russian warships off Australia's coast ahead of G20

    Quote Originally Posted by AuburnGrad View Post
    Diesel subs are useless against a blue water fleet simply because they cannot catch it.
    But they are sure quiet little things.

    There are many in the naval community who believe that we should have a mixture of nuclear powered and diesel electric subs. Diesel electric subs like the Russians Kilo class are blue water subs. All of the subs during WW ll on all sides were diesel electric and operated in a blue water evironment.

    What your confused with is the range that was stated, the 437 mile range is submerged running on the batteries. It can run at a faster speed but it would reduce it's range without recharging the batteries. Snorkeling, the Kilo class subs have over a 7,000 mile range submerged.

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    Re: Vladimir Putin stations Russian warships off Australia's coast ahead of G20

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    16 cruise missiles could never swamp the air defenses of a carrier battle group.

    A single Burke class escort alone could launch FOUR Standard II missiles to intercept for each anti ship missile the Slava launched.

    A massed missile attack with Backfire bombers would probably be the only way you could swamp the defenses of a CBG.
    Standard ll missiles intercepting sea skimming cruise missiles traveling at Mach 2.5 ?

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    Re: Vladimir Putin stations Russian warships off Australia's coast ahead of G20

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    But they are sure quiet little things.

    There are many in the naval community who believe that we should have a mixture of nuclear powered and diesel electric subs. Diesel electric subs like the Russians Kilo class are blue water subs. All of the subs during WW ll on all sides were diesel electric and operated in a blue water evironment.

    What your confused with is the range that was stated, the 437 mile range is submerged running on the batteries. It can run at a faster speed but it would reduce it's range without recharging the batteries. Snorkeling, the Kilo class subs have over a 7,000 mile range submerged.
    You obviously have little to no clue as to what you are talking about. You cannot snorkel while truly submerged which also severely restricts your speed. While running on diesels you can be heard for hundreds of miles and can be picked up easily on radar.

    I am a former submariner, in addition to a surface warfare officer trained in ASW in the Navy.

    As for WWII, submarines had to be in FRONT of the target and let the target come to them simply because they cannot make any speed while submerged and if surfaced they were sitting ducks.

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    Re: Vladimir Putin stations Russian warships off Australia's coast ahead of G20

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Standard ll missiles intercepting sea skimming cruise missiles traveling at Mach 2.5 ?
    You do realize that there are only 3 Slava class cruisers in their inventory. Right?

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