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    Obama to announce 10-point immigration plan via exec action as early as next week

    Source: Obama to announce 10-point immigration plan via exec action as early as next week | Fox News

    EXCLUSIVE: President Obama is planning to unveil a 10-part plan for overhauling U.S. immigration policy via executive action -- including suspending deportations for millions -- as early as next Friday, a source close to the White House told Fox News.
    Critics in the Senate say those who receive deferred action, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, receive work authorization in the United States, Social Security numbers and government-issued IDs.

    Another portion that is sure to cause consternation among anti-"amnesty" lawmakers is a plan to expand deferred action for young people. In June 2012, Obama created such a program for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children, entered before June 2007 and were under 31 as of June 2012. The change would expand that to cover anyone who entered before they were 16, and change the cut-off from June 2007 to Jan. 1, 2010. This is estimated to make nearly 300,000 illegal immigrants eligible.
    First, is this constitutional and legal to do this without Congressional involvement?

    Second, what percentage of Americans actually want Obama to do this?

    Third, what is the motivating factor behind doing this without any input from Congress?

    And last, how is it that only Fox News was able to get these details? Lack of reporting skills, or an organized distraction from the mainstream media?

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    Re: Obama to announce 10-point immigration plan via exec action as early as next week

    Nothing like working with the new house and senate.

    Why not sit down and see which if any of these 10 points we can make a bill through the house and senate and he can sign it. You know...bipartisanship.
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    Re: Obama to announce 10-point immigration plan via exec action as early as next week

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
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    First, is this constitutional and legal to do this without Congressional involvement?
    I didn't see anything in the article that looked unconstitutional, but I am sure that the republicans who keep demanding border security will say it is unconstitutional for him to strengthen border security.
    Second, what percentage of Americans actually want Obama to do this?
    Do what? Not all 10 points were discussed and until we see the details, we may or may not support his plan.

    Third, what is the motivating factor behind doing this without any input from Congress?
    To get something done I suppose, not that motivation matters in this issue regarding the Constitionality of it.
    And last, how is it that only Fox News was able to get these details? Lack of reporting skills, or an organized distraction from the mainstream media?
    I have no idea whether or not Fox News is the only one who has it. It is possible that others have it and are doing background, shooting segments, researching the legality or whatever. Being the first does not mean that they are the exclusive knowers in these type situations.

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    Re: Obama to announce 10-point immigration plan via exec action as early as next week

    I'd love for anyone to argue that these actions would not fit this description as it relates to the new Congress:

    When the President takes measures incompatible with the expressed or implied will of Congress, his power is at its lowest ebb
    And if that is an accurate description then it would mean in terms of his ability to constitutionally take executive action:

    then he can rely only upon his own constitutional powers minus any constitutional powers of Congress over the entire matter. Courts can sustain exclusive presidential control in such a case only by disabling the Congress from acting upon the subject. Presidential claim to a power at once so conclusive and preclusive must be scrutinized with caution, for what is at stake is the equilibrium established by our constitutional system.
    The Constitutionality of such an action, once the new congress is in place, is questionable at best. However, most likely it would sustain challenge at the SCOTUS level given the expanding power of the Executive over the past decades.

    However, the Presidents CONTINUAL unilateral action and substantial movement with executive orders and actions that oppose the will of the congress and operate in a nebulous region between upholding the law and simply ignoring it is beginning to make me reconsider my belief as to whether or not it would be rightful of this incoming Senate to build upon the precedence displayed by Harry Reids Senate and utilize various new rules and old actions in non-traditional ways...such as using reconcilliation on bills that aren't primarily tax code changes or budgets...to combat these type of actions.

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    Re: Obama to announce 10-point immigration plan via exec action as early as next week

    The president's plans were contained in a draft proposal from a U.S. government agency. The source said the plan could be announced as early as Nov. 21, though the date might slip a few days pending final White House approval.
    The source... a US government agency.. no way to check their source or verify the story other than to wait until the 21st. and see. Is this story real, or just more nonsense? Stay tuned, folks, we'll soon find out.
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    If this is true, and depending on how far it goes, it could well violate Article I, Section 8, clause 4 of the Constitution.
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    Re: Obama to announce 10-point immigration plan via exec action as early as next week

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I didn't see anything in the article that looked unconstitutional, but I am sure that the republicans who keep demanding border security will say it is unconstitutional for him to strengthen border security.


    Do what? Not all 10 points were discussed and until we see the details, we may or may not support his plan.


    To get something done I suppose, not that motivation matters in this issue regarding the Constitionality of it.


    I have no idea whether or not Fox News is the only one who has it. It is possible that others have it and are doing background, shooting segments, researching the legality or whatever. Being the first does not mean that they are the exclusive knowers in these type situations.
    The president can't modify the law via executive order. It's a facts that that's illegal.
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    Re: Obama to announce 10-point immigration plan via exec action as early as next week

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The source... a US government agency.. no way to check their source or verify the story other than to wait until the 21st. and see. Is this story real, or just more nonsense? Stay tuned, folks, we'll soon find out.
    I'll wait and see. I don't see what the big deal is, supposedly it's just a draft anyway.
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    Re: Obama to announce 10-point immigration plan via exec action as early as next week

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The president can't modify the law via executive order. It's a facts that that's illegal.
    I have seen nothing suggesting that he is modifying any laws, just directing that people prioritize their efforts in in a different way within existing laws.

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    Re: Obama to announce 10-point immigration plan via exec action as early as next week

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I have seen nothing suggesting that he is modifying any laws, just directing that people prioritize their efforts in in a different way within existing laws.
    Amnesty is either modifying the law, or refusing to enforce the law; both are illegal.
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