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    US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul - ABC News

    Three U.S. sailors were assaulted today by about 20 people on the streets of Istanbul, Turkey, and the assault was videotaped and then posted on the internet, the Navy said.The American embassy said the videotaped assault on the sailors was "appalling."

    The Navy said the sailors were on leave from the destroyer USS Ross when about 20 people who claimed to be from the Turkish Youth Union began "verbally and physically assaulting the sailors."[/FONT][/COLOR]

    The video shows one of the Turks telling the Americans, "We define you as murderers and killers and want you to get out of our land."

    The sailors were then shoved and had things thrown at them. Several of the Turkish men tried to grab one American sailor and white bags were produced which they tried to put over the sailors' head while other Turks chanted, "Go home, Yankee." The sailors wrenched themselves free."


    WTF? Turkey is one of our NATO allies, but they allow a cowardly gang of thugs to attack three US sailors? Where the hell were the Turkish police? These sailors were dressed in civilian clothes, yet they were deliberately rooted out, roughed up, had bags shoved over their heads, then they were chased by nearly two dozen of these assholes. And the Turkish government says..... *crickets*.....

    Why is Turkey even a part of NATO anyway? It refuses to allow US use of NATO bases in Turkey, it thwarts the US at every turn. Since when does Turkey have the right to pick and choose which NATO countries are "allowed" to use NATO bases, most of which were paid for in large part by US funds. This really chaps my hide.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul - ABC News

    Three U.S. sailors were assaulted today by about 20 people on the streets of Istanbul, Turkey, and the assault was videotaped and then posted on the internet, the Navy said.The American embassy said the videotaped assault on the sailors was "appalling."

    The Navy said the sailors were on leave from the destroyer USS Ross when about 20 people who claimed to be from the Turkish Youth Union began "verbally and physically assaulting the sailors."[/FONT][/COLOR]

    The video shows one of the Turks telling the Americans, "We define you as murderers and killers and want you to get out of our land."

    The sailors were then shoved and had things thrown at them. Several of the Turkish men tried to grab one American sailor and white bags were produced which they tried to put over the sailors' head while other Turks chanted, "Go home, Yankee." The sailors wrenched themselves free."


    WTF? Turkey is one of our NATO allies, but they allow a cowardly gang of thugs to attack three US sailors? Where the hell were the Turkish police? These sailors were dressed in civilian clothes, yet they were deliberately rooted out, roughed up, had bags shoved over their heads, then they were chased by nearly two dozen of these assholes. And the Turkish government says..... *crickets*.....

    Why is Turkey even a part of NATO anyway? It refuses to allow US use of NATO bases in Turkey, it thwarts the US at every turn. Since when does Turkey have the right to pick and choose which NATO countries are "allowed" to use NATO bases, most of which were paid for in large part by US funds. This really chaps my hide.
    Turkey may have been more friendly when they had a secular government...not so much now.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Sucks but this could honestly happen in just about any country in that region. Pretty silly on their part as far as economics go. Sailors usually dump a lot into the local economy when they do their port calls.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Pretty damning event, especially on veteran's day, if I am not mistaken?

    The 4 out of 4th response from the US Embassy in Turkiye states the following:

    … the vast majority of Turks would join us in rejecting an action that so disrespects Turkey’s reputation for hospitality.
    I believe this is true.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Turkey may have been more friendly when they had a secular government...not so much now.
    That is a good point.

    But.... I still think these budding jihaders are going to receive the standard Turkish beat down (given equally to jihaders, Kurdish seperatists and leftist trade unionists).

    Even if the government sympathizes with them to a degree, their actions represent a stability issue- and Turkey takes stability issues of any kind very seriously.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    The video shows one of the Turks telling the Americans, "We define you as murderers and killers and want you to get out of our land."
    While I do not condone the attacks, can this notion be refuted?
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul - ABC News

    Three U.S. sailors were assaulted today by about 20 people on the streets of Istanbul, Turkey, and the assault was videotaped and then posted on the internet, the Navy said.The American embassy said the videotaped assault on the sailors was "appalling."

    The Navy said the sailors were on leave from the destroyer USS Ross when about 20 people who claimed to be from the Turkish Youth Union began "verbally and physically assaulting the sailors."[/FONT][/COLOR]

    The video shows one of the Turks telling the Americans, "We define you as murderers and killers and want you to get out of our land."

    The sailors were then shoved and had things thrown at them. Several of the Turkish men tried to grab one American sailor and white bags were produced which they tried to put over the sailors' head while other Turks chanted, "Go home, Yankee." The sailors wrenched themselves free."


    WTF? Turkey is one of our NATO allies, but they allow a cowardly gang of thugs to attack three US sailors? Where the hell were the Turkish police? These sailors were dressed in civilian clothes, yet they were deliberately rooted out, roughed up, had bags shoved over their heads, then they were chased by nearly two dozen of these assholes. And the Turkish government says..... *crickets*.....

    Why is Turkey even a part of NATO anyway? It refuses to allow US use of NATO bases in Turkey, it thwarts the US at every turn. Since when does Turkey have the right to pick and choose which NATO countries are "allowed" to use NATO bases, most of which were paid for in large part by US funds. This really chaps my hide.
    These kind of things happen from tine to time and, frankly, the same sort of thing could happen to a tourist that is visiting the US. Not every street in every one of our cities is safe.

    While I'm sure that the Turks will make an effort to find the perps it's really just an isolated incident. If such attacks become more common then we might have an issue.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    These kind of things happen from tine to time and, frankly, the same sort of thing could happen to a tourist that is visiting the US. Not every street in every one of our cities is safe.
    Very true, but most of the other attacks on US sailors are done for criminal motivations or masculine jealosy (high paid US servicemen taking too many local girls).

    These attackers had religous motivations, which is very rare for Turkey. As such, it is more serious than the standard "pissed off local punches obnoxiously drunk sailor" or "jealous local males jump sailors because their cash gets them too many local chicks" type incidents.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    These kind of things happen from tine to time and, frankly, the same sort of thing could happen to a tourist that is visiting the US. Not every street in every one of our cities is safe.

    While I'm sure that the Turks will make an effort to find the perps it's really just an isolated incident. If such attacks become more common then we might have an issue.
    I completely agree with this. A few thugs in Turkey don't represent the sentiments of all or even a sizable number of the Turkish people. Thugs in the US and here in Canada occasionally hassle Muslims. Turkey is a huge country with a lot of internal conflict, much related to the ethnic Kurds and the US support of the Kurds can be seen by some as interfering in and assisting strife within Turkey. It's a pretty complicated area of the world right now.

    I'd be more concerned about the intransigence of the Turkish government and their foot dragging in assisting the situation related to ISIS/ISIL/IS. Admission of Turkey within NATO was seen originally as a pretty big coup, but it's proving to be troublesome. I don't have any answers to offer, however.

    I'd just add, as well, that the behaviour of the US Sailors as shown in the video is something all Americans should be proud of - they were not belligerent or aggressive - they raised their hands in a peaceful way - and they extricated themselves from a tense situation and didn't escalate it into a confrontation where someone could have been seriously hurt or killed.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul - ABC News

    Three U.S. sailors were assaulted today by about 20 people on the streets of Istanbul, Turkey, and the assault was videotaped and then posted on the internet, the Navy said.The American embassy said the videotaped assault on the sailors was "appalling."

    The Navy said the sailors were on leave from the destroyer USS Ross when about 20 people who claimed to be from the Turkish Youth Union began "verbally and physically assaulting the sailors."[/FONT][/COLOR]

    The video shows one of the Turks telling the Americans, "We define you as murderers and killers and want you to get out of our land."

    The sailors were then shoved and had things thrown at them. Several of the Turkish men tried to grab one American sailor and white bags were produced which they tried to put over the sailors' head while other Turks chanted, "Go home, Yankee." The sailors wrenched themselves free."


    WTF? Turkey is one of our NATO allies, but they allow a cowardly gang of thugs to attack three US sailors? Where the hell were the Turkish police? These sailors were dressed in civilian clothes, yet they were deliberately rooted out, roughed up, had bags shoved over their heads, then they were chased by nearly two dozen of these assholes. And the Turkish government says..... *crickets*.....

    Why is Turkey even a part of NATO anyway? It refuses to allow US use of NATO bases in Turkey, it thwarts the US at every turn. Since when does Turkey have the right to pick and choose which NATO countries are "allowed" to use NATO bases, most of which were paid for in large part by US funds. This really chaps my hide.
    "Allow?" What, was there some sort of "request to assault foreign military personnel" formed that got filled out?
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