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US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

KevinKohler said:
We are a global arms dealer.


You DON'T piss off the guy that supplies your military. As a general rule.
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Russia and China will gladly supply them.
 
KevinKohler said:
With second rate arms.
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Really? I hear the Chinese are starting to sell their version of the F-35 they stole the design/technology for from the US.
 
Declan said:
Really? I hear the Chinese are starting to sell their version of the F-35 they stole the design/technology for from the US.
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It will compare to ours in the same way a Daewoo compares to a cadilac.
 
KevinKohler said:
It will compare to ours in the same way a Daewoo compares to a cadilac.
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at 50% the price tag, they can afford to buy two. ;)

Russia is only slightly behind the US in the arms market and they are closer by. Turkey has options. The US not so much
 
Declan said:
at 50% the price tag, they can afford to buy two. ;)

Russia is only slightly behind the US in the arms market and they are closer by. Turkey has options. The US not so much
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2 M1 Garands =/= 1 M60.


Quality trumps quantity in the military arms race, every time.
 
Declan said:
Or what? The US isn't giving up its airbases in Turkey for any price. They are too strategically important.
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Well, they might be important if Turkey allowed us to use them for anything important. Since they don't, they are useless. As is Turkey as an ally. Our best bet would be to arm the Kurds to the teeth.
 
KevinKohler said:
We are a global arms dealer.


You DON'T piss off the guy that supplies your military. As a general rule.
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Nor do you piss off the country that has given you Billions of dollars in aid. It's time to end that nonsense. The Turkish airbases are useless.
 
DiAnna said:
This "gang" is called The Turkish Youth Union, and it is opposed to the current Turkish government, a government which has lately turned on its own people with the violent clashes last year. This was not an opportunistic group of street thugs; this attack was scripted and organized. The Turkish government is Islamic, and a large contingent of Turkish people are secular, so we've been seeing these clashes become more and more unstable.

The current Turkish government has been more and more vocal in its displeasure with the US, so to see an avowed enemy of that government seek out US military members for a scripted and organized attack is frankly concerning to me. If the Islamic government is hostile to the US and the secular opponents of that government are also hostile to us, this does not bode well for our military in particular and NATO in general.
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I think NATO is due for a major re-structuring. First, I'd get rid of all those countries that don't pay their share. Then I'd get rid of those countries that figure NATO is a one way street - they want protection but aren't willing to offer any themselves. NATO is not a social club. It's a military alliance. If this gets us down to four or five countries, so be it. Better four or five you can rely on than thirty that you can't.
 
Crosscheck said:
You don't see as many of our military personnel in uniform traveling in the US airport anymore either. They aren't a target just overseas.
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Do you have links to stories about US servicemen being attacked in US airports? I haven't heard of any incidents.
 
Declan said:
Russia and China will gladly supply them.
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Works for me. I'm sure Russia and China would gladly supply a NATO member with their latest technology. Hell, the Russians didn't even do that for the Warsaw Pact countries. And we all saw how well the weapons supplied by the Russians to Saddam Hussein worked.
 
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Declan said:
at 50% the price tag, they can afford to buy two. ;)

Russia is only slightly behind the US in the arms market and they are closer by. Turkey has options. The US not so much
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Now you're just being silly. The notion that the US is dependent on Turkey to a greater extent than they are on us flies in the face of logic. We don't need Turkey. They do need us.
 
American said:
Yes it can, the sailors are performing their duties according to American law.
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And can it be refuted that American law permits murder?
 
WTF!!! There is crime in Turkey?
 
iacardsfan said:
authorizations of the use of force which result in the killing of civilians as collateral damage
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Well, if that's your definition of murder, then every country that ever fought a war is guilty of murder. Which essentially is every country in the world. Your definition doesn't cut it, I'm afraid.
 
DiAnna said:
US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul - ABC News

Three U.S. sailors were assaulted today by about 20 people on the streets of Istanbul, Turkey, and the assault was videotaped and then posted on the internet, the Navy said.The American embassy said the videotaped assault on the sailors was "appalling."

The Navy said the sailors were on leave from the destroyer USS Ross when about 20 people who claimed to be from the Turkish Youth Union began "verbally and physically assaulting the sailors."[/FONT][/COLOR]

The video shows one of the Turks telling the Americans, "We define you as murderers and killers and want you to get out of our land."

The sailors were then shoved and had things thrown at them. Several of the Turkish men tried to grab one American sailor and white bags were produced which they tried to put over the sailors' head while other Turks chanted, "Go home, Yankee." The sailors wrenched themselves free."

WTF? Turkey is one of our NATO allies, but they allow a cowardly gang of thugs to attack three US sailors? Where the hell were the Turkish police? These sailors were dressed in civilian clothes, yet they were deliberately rooted out, roughed up, had bags shoved over their heads, then they were chased by nearly two dozen of these assholes. And the Turkish government says..... *crickets*.....

Why is Turkey even a part of NATO anyway? It refuses to allow US use of NATO bases in Turkey, it thwarts the US at every turn. Since when does Turkey have the right to pick and choose which NATO countries are "allowed" to use NATO bases, most of which were paid for in large part by US funds. This really chaps my hide.
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As a few of you may know I just spent a good amount of time in Iraq working security with the BBC for the past few weeks we were following Kurdish groups fighting ISIS ( or attempting to). I am back in Cyprus now ready to fly home later today and I can tell you from what I saw the Turks are doing everything they can to wash their hands of any heavy work and are still trying to distance themselves from the West. They wont even properly endorse the Kurds who are defending the border. They are historically a weak country who's own empire was dubbed the "sick man of Europe" as it simply fell away, they are not willing to stand behind us but at the same time try to distance themselves from the middle east. Time to leave them behind as far as I'm concerned and let them fend for themselves, plenty of other countries need support.
 
How Turkey's government deals with these bastards should be weighed in the balance when deciding whether it still is in this country's interest for Turkey to be a member of NATO. The Islamist government there is no longer friendly with Israel, even though not many years ago relations between the two nations were very good. If Turkey is no longer friendly to this country either, then let it sink or swim on its own. The Turks need the U.S. far more than we need them.
 
Higgins86 said:
As a few of you may know I just spent a good amount of time in Iraq working security with the BBC for the past few weeks we were following Kurdish groups fighting ISIS ( or attempting to). I am back in Cyprus now ready to fly home later today and I can tell you from what I saw the Turks are doing everything they can to wash their hands of any heavy work and are still trying to distance themselves from the West. They wont even properly endorse the Kurds who are defending the border. They are historically a weak country who's own empire was dubbed the "sick man of Europe" as it simply fell away, they are not willing to stand behind us but at the same time try to distance themselves from the middle east. Time to leave them behind as far as I'm concerned and let them fend for themselves, plenty of other countries need support.
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Glad you made it out safely. Yours are a set of unique eyes so I have to ask, how effective are the Kurds and Iraqi army in fighting ISIS? Are they winning? Could you tell?
 
matchlight said:
How Turkey's government deals with these bastards should be weighed in the balance when deciding whether it still is in this country's interest for Turkey to be a member of NATO. The Islamist government there is no longer friendly with Israel, even though not many years ago relations between the two nations were very good. If Turkey is no longer friendly to this country either, then let it sink or swim on its own. The Turks need the U.S. far more than we need them.
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Turkeys schizophrenic nature is in its history-its meeting of eastern and western values, and its attempts to straddle that line. I dont know how they will end up, but I agree-if they can't play nice with other NATO nations troops perhaps they dont need to be involved.
 
Someone is about to get a serious #hashtag asswhuppin!
 
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