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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    If you shoot missile into a cafe filled with civilians, you are making a deliberate choice to kill innocent people. I don't know if wanted to do it or not, but he still did regardless of his feelings on the matter.
    But you claimed he did want to do it, and did so knowingly. I'm getting the feeling from reading your posts that you really don't like your own country very much, and like nothing better than posting how evil it is. Which is OK, I guess. There are a lot of American servicemen, past and present, who have given you that right.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

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    US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul - ABC News

    Three U.S. sailors were assaulted today by about 20 people on the streets of Istanbul, Turkey, and the assault was videotaped and then posted on the internet, the Navy said.The American embassy said the videotaped assault on the sailors was "appalling."

    The Navy said the sailors were on leave from the destroyer USS Ross when about 20 people who claimed to be from the Turkish Youth Union began "verbally and physically assaulting the sailors."[/FONT][/COLOR]

    The video shows one of the Turks telling the Americans, "We define you as murderers and killers and want you to get out of our land."

    The sailors were then shoved and had things thrown at them. Several of the Turkish men tried to grab one American sailor and white bags were produced which they tried to put over the sailors' head while other Turks chanted, "Go home, Yankee." The sailors wrenched themselves free."


    WTF? Turkey is one of our NATO allies, but they allow a cowardly gang of thugs to attack three US sailors? Where the hell were the Turkish police? These sailors were dressed in civilian clothes, yet they were deliberately rooted out, roughed up, had bags shoved over their heads, then they were chased by nearly two dozen of these assholes. And the Turkish government says..... *crickets*.....

    Why is Turkey even a part of NATO anyway? It refuses to allow US use of NATO bases in Turkey, it thwarts the US at every turn. Since when does Turkey have the right to pick and choose which NATO countries are "allowed" to use NATO bases, most of which were paid for in large part by US funds. This really chaps my hide.

    So you would allow Turkey to use our bases if they let us use theirs?

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Perhaps, but that attitude is fostered and encouraged by the Turkish government. And there is a special level of hatred reserved for America.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You're only making the point stronger as Yemen too is a country that has proven it cannot pursue its citizens that commit international terrorism and bring them to justice. I don't see what's there not to understand here, it's one of the rare cases when international law aligns with actual common sense and allows the states that are targeted by these terrorists to pursue them and bring them to justice as if they won't no one will.
    Why don't you name the acts of international terrorism that Yemeni citizens have been committing?

    Never said it doesn't operate in the US do read more carefully, I did say however that the US as a functioning developed country with a functioning law enforcement is able to act against its criminal citizens and thus a third party has no legitimacy in committing strikes on US soil. Again this should be obvious.
    Drug cartels are responsible for thousands of murders in the U.S. and even more in Mexico. International terrorism kills far less people.

    Article 51 of the UN charter, for example, allows nations to use force on other nations' soil in self-defense, and this was the justification raised by the US over its attacks on Afghanistan.
    Since when have Yemeni's started attacking the united states?

    I'm not familiar with the incident but I do know that in previous cases when a soldier acted rogue and committed crimes against civilians he was punished by the US military, so your claim that US soldiers are targeting civilians is a simply wrong.
    The person operating the drone I mentioned was probably part of the CIA, not a soldier. Nonetheless, you have been unable to answer how shooting a missile into a cafe can be anything but deliberately targeting civilians. Maybe they only really wanted to kill one guy and didn't care about the rest, but they knew what would happen before the pulled the trigger.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    it is called revenge.yankees had done the same thing to our soldiers in northern ıraq in 2003


    now yankees are thugs ?
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Why don't you name the acts of international terrorism that Yemeni citizens have been committing?
    The US was targeting Yemeni members of al-Qaeda and Taliban and other terror organizations, hence terrorists.
    These organizations have committed international crimes, being a member of such organization means you are responsible for its actions.

    Drug cartels are responsible for thousands of murders in the U.S. and even more in Mexico. International terrorism kills far less people.
    I have no doubts but it's not about who kills more, it's about legitimacy to attack in a foreign nation which you falsely claimed the US doesn't have, I've already proven you wrong in comparing between the American attacks on Afghanistan and a Mexican attack on US soil.

    Since when have Yemeni's started attacking the united states?
    Since they became members of an organization responsible for the murder of thousands of Americans.

    The person operating the drone I mentioned was probably part of the CIA, not a soldier. Nonetheless, you have been unable to answer how shooting a missile into a cafe can be anything but deliberately targeting civilians. Maybe they only really wanted to kill one guy and didn't care about the rest, but they knew what would happen before the pulled the trigger.
    All the more reason that your case is weak.
    I already said that this specific incident could be an act of crime and it could be that the one who operated this specific drone needs to be investigated and punished (again I'm not familiar with the incident so I don't know what actually happened), but that has nothing to do with your claim about American soldiers targeting civilians which is simply untrue and is really demonizing American soldiers.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    But you claimed he did want to do it, and did so knowingly. I'm getting the feeling from reading your posts that you really don't like your own country very much, and like nothing better than posting how evil it is. Which is OK, I guess. There are a lot of American servicemen, past and present, who have given you that right.
    I claimed he knew that innocent people were going to die before he pulled the trigger. They were clearly visible, the kill radius of his weapon is well known and the operator wasn't facing the combat stress of a soldier on the ground. That is undeniable.

    As to why he killed them, I doubt it was out of malice. I think he was just following orders and was willing to sacrifice to innocent to complete them.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul - ABC News

    Three U.S. sailors were assaulted today by about 20 people on the streets of Istanbul, Turkey, and the assault was videotaped and then posted on the internet, the Navy said.The American embassy said the videotaped assault on the sailors was "appalling."

    The Navy said the sailors were on leave from the destroyer USS Ross when about 20 people who claimed to be from the Turkish Youth Union began "verbally and physically assaulting the sailors."[/FONT][/COLOR]

    The video shows one of the Turks telling the Americans, "We define you as murderers and killers and want you to get out of our land."

    The sailors were then shoved and had things thrown at them. Several of the Turkish men tried to grab one American sailor and white bags were produced which they tried to put over the sailors' head while other Turks chanted, "Go home, Yankee." The sailors wrenched themselves free."


    WTF? Turkey is one of our NATO allies, but they allow a cowardly gang of thugs to attack three US sailors? Where the hell were the Turkish police? These sailors were dressed in civilian clothes, yet they were deliberately rooted out, roughed up, had bags shoved over their heads, then they were chased by nearly two dozen of these assholes. And the Turkish government says..... *crickets*.....

    Why is Turkey even a part of NATO anyway? It refuses to allow US use of NATO bases in Turkey, it thwarts the US at every turn. Since when does Turkey have the right to pick and choose which NATO countries are "allowed" to use NATO bases, most of which were paid for in large part by US funds. This really chaps my hide.
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    as far as l know Turkey lets USA use its own bases located in TURKEY.because every base already belongs to USA
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Perhaps, but that attitude is fostered and encouraged by the Turkish government. And there is a special level of hatred reserved for America.

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    Good article, thanks. However, the fact that dislike of America spiked from around 50% to 80% after the Iraq Invasion indicates that anti-Americanism is not really ingrained in the culture -- even if political opportunists like to play into the hate for short-term gain.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    it is called revenge.yankees had done the same thing to our soldiers in northern ıraq in 2003


    now yankees are thugs ?
    Two wrongs don't make a right.That american guy didn't do anything wrong.

    Everbody should protest whatever they want but in a civilized way.

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