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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    I was stationed in Germany when I was in the Army.

    At about 3 million heads Turks form the largest ethnic minority in Germany.

    As you would expect, the majority of them are clustered in urban areas which, as you also might expect, is where we as GIs would head on the weekend to do a little drinking and whoring (I'm looking at you, Frankfurt am Main).

    I think there were very few such weekends that my group of buddies and I didn't get into some kind of altercation with a pack of mangy, rabid Turks.

    Sometimes it was name calling, sometimes pushing and shoving, frequently such encounters devolved into knock down, drag out brawls.

    I still have scars on my scalp from some of these incidents (Turks like knives and beer bottles and they don't exactly fight fair). I have a buddy whose hand is crooked to this day from a broken wrist he sustained in one of the more savage beatings we took. And make no mistake, when it's 8 Americans in a crowd of 20 Turks, on the dimly-lit back streets of the seediest part of some foreign city where even the natural local nationals aren't all that crazy about you, you're going to take some EPIC beatings, and we did.

    Ummmm...

    So ****ing what?

    We're talking about U.S. servicemen here.

    People who are PAID to fight.

    If you can't hold your own against a pack of Turks, or if you really feel the need to have society help you gently wipe the sand out of your mangina after getting your collective tail kicked by the same, then maybe you're in the wrong line of work?
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I was stationed in Germany when I was in the Army.

    At about 3 million heads Turks form the largest ethnic minority in Germany.

    As you would expect, the majority of them are clustered in urban areas which, as you also might expect, is where we as GIs would head on the weekend to do a little drinking and whoring (I'm looking at you, Frankfurt am Main).

    I think there were very few such weekends that my group of buddies and I didn't get into some kind of altercation with a pack of mangy, rabid Turks.

    Sometimes it was name calling, sometimes pushing and shoving, frequently such encounters devolved into knock down, drag out brawls.

    Ummmm...

    So ****ing what?

    We're talking about U.S. servicemen here.

    People who are PAID to fight.

    If you can't hold your own against a pack of Turks, or if you really feel the need to have society help you gently wipe the sand out of your mangina after getting your collective tail kicked by the same, then maybe you're in the wrong line of work?
    Yeah, what's the matter with those sailors? Three of them should have been able to handle a 'mangy' pack of 20 without any difficulty.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yeah, what's the matter with those sailors? Three of them should have been able to handle a 'mangy' pack of 20 without any difficulty.
    I'm not suggesting that they should have.

    They just shouldn't have made an international ****ing incident out of it.

    Take your beating, lick your wounds, laugh about it with your buddies over beers 20 years later.

    No big deal.

    It was just a beating.
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    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I don't give a crap whether Turkey loves us or not. I just want us totally disengaged from those worthless bastards. Screw them. Let them go play with the Russians or the Chinese.
    Turkey has been a highly valuable in the past, both during the cold war and the Gulf. Even given current problems, its not worth throwing away such a partnership based on someone being in a pissy mood.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I'm not suggesting that they should have.

    They just shouldn't have made an international ****ing incident out of it.

    Take your beating, lick your wounds, laugh about it with your buddies over beers 20 years later.

    No big deal.

    It was just a beating.
    They didn't make an international incident of it. The mangy Turks did by videotaping it and putting it on the Internet.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, it merely means they give tacit approval to them. Turkey is one of the most anti-American countries on the planet, which is ironic considering the billions and billions of tax dollars the American people have given them.
    To be fair, Turkey generally hates most nations (Muslim or otherwise). America is not singled out, but is rather the norm.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Turkey has been a highly valuable in the past, both during the cold war and the Gulf. Even given current problems, its not worth throwing away such a partnership based on someone being in a pissy mood.
    How exactly have them been highly valuable during the Gulf war? They refused to allow Incirlik to be used in the air war and denied the US the opportunity to send troops into Iraq across their border - something they apparently have no difficulty with as far as ISIS is concerned. And the cold war ended 25 years ago. They are worthless as an ally, and the sooner we are done with them, the better. We don't need them.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Except that we aren't keeping our drone strikes in Afghanistan, they are in other countries that we aren't even in an undeclared war with, like Yemen.
    You're only making the point stronger as Yemen too is a country that has proven it cannot pursue its citizens that commit international terrorism and bring them to justice. I don't see what's there not to understand here, it's one of the rare cases when international law aligns with actual common sense and allows the states that are targeted by these terrorists to pursue them and bring them to justice as if they won't no one will.

    Are you joking? Do you seriously think that drug cartels don't operate in the United States? We try and arrest them of course, but we aren't capable of stopping them.
    Never said it doesn't operate in the US do read more carefully, I did say however that the US as a functioning developed country with a functioning law enforcement is able to act against its criminal citizens and thus a third party has no legitimacy in committing strikes on US soil. Again this should be obvious.

    Why don't you cite the "international law" authorizing violating sovereign rights to pursue criminals. You won't, because it doesn't exist.
    Your ignorance is only matched by your rudeness.
    Self-defence in international law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Article 51 of the UN charter, for example, allows nations to use force on other nations' soil in self-defense, and this was the justification raised by the US over its attacks on Afghanistan.

    On October 14, 2011 a drone attacked an open air cafe in Yemen during the day. This was not a terrorist training camp, weapons cache or vehicle convoy, it was a place where regular people were going to eat. It was not an accident, the drone operator knew before they pulled the trigger that firing the missile was inevitably going to kill innocent civilians.
    I'm not familiar with the incident but I do know that in previous cases when a soldier acted rogue and committed crimes against civilians he was punished by the US military, so your claim that US soldiers are targeting civilians is simply wrong.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Is the drone operator a friend of yours? Or is this information gleaned from the usual sources? You seem to have inside knowledge as to the state of mind of the drone operator, so I assume you know him personally and he has told you he just wanted to kill him some civilians?
    If you shoot missile into a cafe filled with civilians, you are making a deliberate choice to kill innocent people. I don't know if wanted to do it or not, but he still did regardless of his feelings on the matter.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    To be fair, Turkey generally hates most nations (Muslim or otherwise). America is not singled out, but is rather the norm.
    Perhaps, but that attitude is fostered and encouraged by the Turkish government. And there is a special level of hatred reserved for America.

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