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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    And you are convinced that the government of Turkey will arrest these people and prosecute them? If you are, I have a nice bridge for sale.
    This particular group are Erdogans political enemies and there is zero chance he would give them political cover.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The Zeta's kidnapped and murdered an entire bus of innocent passengers. You can slap whatever label like on it, but its worse than most attacks arbitrarily labeled as terrorism. Its also not an isolated incident, its systemic. The latest episode about 43 students being murdered is still in the news.

    Alright I'll give you the full answer since you insist on being wrong here:

    If an American citizen commits crimes of violence on Mexican soil and then resorts to American soil, the Mexicans wouldn't have legitimacy in bombing American soil and targeting the criminal.
    If an Afghan citizen commits crimes of terrorism on another state's soil and then resorts to Afghan soil, the attacked state has every legitimacy to bomb Afghan soil and target the terrorist.

    Differences between two scenarios:

    1) America is able to capture its citizens that committed crimes of violence on Mexican soil and bring them to justice, hence Mexico has no right to violate its sovereignty.
    2) Afghanistan has proven it is simply incapable of capturing and bringing to justice its citizens that are committing acts of terrorism on foreign soil, hence the state that they target has every right to violate their sovereignty and pursue the attackers. That's recognized by international law and really should be obvious.

    Thus your comparisons are frankly illogical and false, and that's without going into the differences between committing a crime of terrorism and other forms of crimes.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi
    The world is full of really nasty characters, but that doesn't justify killing innocent civilians just to get at them. Its unacceptable for drone operators who are no personal risk to destroy obvious civilians locations like cafes and then pretend to be avoiding collateral damage.
    It's unacceptable for you to claim that American soldiers are targeting innocent civilians.(your claim that they just "pretend to avoid collateral damage", which I find to be outrageous)

    American soldiers have no intention to cause civilian deaths and their activity in foreign lands are completely in accordance with international law, period.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, it merely means they give tacit approval to them. Turkey is one of the most anti-American countries on the planet, which is ironic considering the billions and billions of tax dollars the American people have given them.
    You damn well know that military aid is given to politicians or generals and the public never sees a dime. Expecting the people to be "grateful" because we buy off their politicians is the kind of self absorbed hypocritical bull**** that is precisely why people aren't so fond of us currently.

    Our foreign policy in the 15 years has killed a lot of people and pissed off even more. Sometimes its justified to step on some toes, other times its stupid, but either way a superpower has no business throwing a bitch fit over why we aren't loved.

    The U.S. relationship with Turkey was created for strategic concerns and should only end for the same reasons.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    This particular group are Erdogans political enemies and there is zero chance he would give them political cover.
    Yeah, but he hates America more than he hates them. So do the majority of Turks.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    You damn well know that military aid is given to politicians or generals and the public never sees a dime. Expecting the people to be "grateful" because we buy off their politicians is the kind of self absorbed hypocritical bull**** that is precisely why people aren't so fond of us currently.

    Our foreign policy in the 15 years has killed a lot of people and pissed off even more. Sometimes its justified to step on some toes, other times its stupid, but either way a superpower has no business throwing a bitch fit over why we aren't loved.

    The U.S. relationship with Turkey was created for strategic concerns and should only end for the same reasons.
    I don't give a crap whether Turkey loves us or not. I just want us totally disengaged from those worthless bastards. Screw them. Let them go play with the Russians or the Chinese.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul - ABC News

    Three U.S. sailors were assaulted today by about 20 people on the streets of Istanbul, Turkey, and the assault was videotaped and then posted on the internet, the Navy said.The American embassy said the videotaped assault on the sailors was "appalling."

    The Navy said the sailors were on leave from the destroyer USS Ross when about 20 people who claimed to be from the Turkish Youth Union began "verbally and physically assaulting the sailors."[/FONT][/COLOR]

    The video shows one of the Turks telling the Americans, "We define you as murderers and killers and want you to get out of our land."

    The sailors were then shoved and had things thrown at them. Several of the Turkish men tried to grab one American sailor and white bags were produced which they tried to put over the sailors' head while other Turks chanted, "Go home, Yankee." The sailors wrenched themselves free."


    WTF? Turkey is one of our NATO allies, but they allow a cowardly gang of thugs to attack three US sailors? Where the hell were the Turkish police? These sailors were dressed in civilian clothes, yet they were deliberately rooted out, roughed up, had bags shoved over their heads, then they were chased by nearly two dozen of these assholes. And the Turkish government says..... *crickets*.....

    Why is Turkey even a part of NATO anyway? It refuses to allow US use of NATO bases in Turkey, it thwarts the US at every turn. Since when does Turkey have the right to pick and choose which NATO countries are "allowed" to use NATO bases, most of which were paid for in large part by US funds. This really chaps my hide.
    Sounds to me like it's time to have a "Dungaree Liberty," and go on a Turkey hunt. If you're NAVY, you know what that means.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I don't give a crap whether Turkey loves us or not. I just want us totally disengaged from those worthless bastards. Screw them. Let them go play with the Russians or the Chinese.
    Turkey has requested $4,834,000 in aid for 2015, not a great deal. But if the EU does not allow Turkey entry I don't see their continuing NATO involvement as necessary either. Given recent events with the Kurds. and the rise of Islamism, they are not above suspicion.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Alright I'll give you the full answer since you insist on being wrong here:

    If an American citizen commits crimes of violence on Mexican soil and then resorts to American soil, the Mexicans wouldn't have legitimacy in bombing American soil and targeting the criminal.
    If an Afghan citizen commits crimes of terrorism on another state's soil and then resorts to Afghan soil, the attacked state has every legitimacy to bomb Afghan soil and target the terrorist.
    Except that we aren't keeping our drone strikes in Afghanistan, they are in other countries that we aren't even in an undeclared war with, like Yemen.

    1) America is able to capture its citizens that committed crimes of violence on Mexican soil and bring them to justice, hence Mexico has no right to violate its sovereignty.
    Are you joking? Do you seriously think that drug cartels don't operate in the United States? We try and arrest them of course, but we aren't capable of stopping them.

    2) Afghanistan has proven it is simply incapable of capturing and bringing to justice its citizens that are committing acts of terrorism on foreign soil, hence the state that they target has every right to violate their sovereignty and pursue the attackers. That's recognized by international law and really should be obvious.
    Why don't you cite the "international law" authorizing violating sovereign rights to pursue criminals. You won't, because it doesn't exist.

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    It's unacceptable for you to claim that American soldiers are targeting innocent civilians.(your claim that they just "pretend to avoid collateral damage", which I find to be outrageous)

    American soldiers have no intention to cause civilian deaths and their activity in foreign lands are completely in accordance with international law, period.
    On October 14, 2011 a drone attacked an open air cafe in Yemen during the day. This was not a terrorist training camp, weapons cache or vehicle convoy, it was a place where regular people were going to eat. It was not an accident, the drone operator knew before they pulled the trigger that firing the missile was inevitably going to kill innocent civilians.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Agreed. I'm about to the stage where I think an independent Kurdistan is a great idea. Anything Turkey, Iraq, and Syria are against is sounding pretty good to me right now.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Except that we aren't keeping our drone strikes in Afghanistan, they are in other countries that we aren't even in an undeclared war with, like Yemen.



    Are you joking? Do you seriously think that drug cartels don't operate in the United States? We try and arrest them of course, but we aren't capable of stopping them.



    Why don't you cite the "international law" authorizing violating sovereign rights to pursue criminals. You won't, because it doesn't exist.



    On October 14, 2011 a drone attacked an open air cafe in Yemen during the day. This was not a terrorist training camp, weapons cache or vehicle convoy, it was a place where regular people were going to eat. It was not an accident, the drone operator knew before they pulled the trigger that firing the missile was inevitably going to kill innocent civilians.
    Is the drone operator a friend of yours? Or is this information gleaned from the usual sources? You seem to have inside knowledge as to the state of mind of the drone operator, so I assume you know him personally and he has told you he just wanted to kill him some civilians?
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