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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    As a few of you may know I just spent a good amount of time in Iraq working security with the BBC for the past few weeks we were following Kurdish groups fighting ISIS ( or attempting to). I am back in Cyprus now ready to fly home later today and I can tell you from what I saw the Turks are doing everything they can to wash their hands of any heavy work and are still trying to distance themselves from the West. They wont even properly endorse the Kurds who are defending the border. They are historically a weak country who's own empire was dubbed the "sick man of Europe" as it simply fell away, they are not willing to stand behind us but at the same time try to distance themselves from the middle east. Time to leave them behind as far as I'm concerned and let them fend for themselves, plenty of other countries need support.
    Great post, Higgy. And glad you are back safe and sound.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Just because they had orders that were lawful under US law does not mean they are right. I will say again: put yourselves in the shoes of other countries. Imagine another countries soldiers walking down your street with machine guns, tanks, and heavy artillery. They kill your neighbors and family in endless search for enemies of their state. I highly doubt, despite legal authorization of force in that country, you would feel the same way at that point.
    It's a failure as an analogy. If the United States was harboring terrorists who regularly plotted to kill - say Canadians - and they did so with the cooperation of civilians, then Canada would be perfectly justified in finding those people themselves and eliminating them. Especially if the US was unwilling to do so.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    As to the OP, it's disgusting.
    The very thought that these thugs would be allowed to attack the military personnel of another country and get away with it is unacceptable. Their faces are all caught on tape and it should be used to file a complaint against them and bring them to justice.
    Yes, but remember you would be depending on the government of Turkey to do this. In other words, it will never happen.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    It doesn't work that way. This is the same thing as a mother saying "I was just trying to quiet my baby, I didn't mean to suffocate it."




    They carry out acts of terror here. Religious terrorists, crazed shooters, bombings.



    So therefore, it is ok that the US kills as many citizens as they want in that country. And we wonder why Americans get attacked by foreigners (its mindsets like that)
    Your posts are beginning to sound a lot like the crap we hear from Islamic extremists. I'm afraid it's not very convincing.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Americans citizens are part of drug gangs who commit considerably more violence than terrorists. If the Mexicans started droning McDonalds if a cartel guy was inside, I doubt you'd accept the dead Americans as mere collateral damage.
    Another failed analogy.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Turkey didn't assault those sailors, a group of anti-government Turkish youths did. Certainly the fringes of a semi-secular Islamic society in the heart of the Middle East is going to be quite extreme. These were essentially Turkish skinheads, not the norm.
    And you are convinced that the government of Turkey will arrest these people and prosecute them? If you are, I have a nice bridge for sale.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    You missed the beginning of the discussion. In this case I do not condone the attacks. I am referring to the quote in the original article that was a Turk man yelling that Americans were murderers.
    You said this:
    Just because they had orders that were lawful under US law does not mean they are right. I will say again: put yourselves in the shoes of other countries. Imagine another countries soldiers walking down your street with machine guns, tanks, and heavy artillery. They kill your neighbors and family in endless search for enemies of their state. I highly doubt, despite legal authorization of force in that country, you would feel the same way at that point.
    How does any of that relate to these three sailors?

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    And you are convinced that the government of Turkey will arrest these people and prosecute them? If you are, I have a nice bridge for sale.
    I don't know, but even if they were charged, the charges would be light, since no one was seriously hurt. A failure to charge the assailants does not in any way equate to Turkey being complicit in the attacks.

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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    No, it merely means they give tacit approval to them. Turkey is one of the most anti-American countries on the planet, which is ironic considering the billions and billions of tax dollars the American people have given them.
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    Re: US Sailors Victims of Videotaped Attack in Istanbul

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Up until the second line I thought you were joking, from then on it's a total face palm.
    I wouldn't even go into this I'll just note that drug gang members are not terrorists so your argument too holds no water.
    The Zeta's kidnapped and murdered an entire bus of innocent passengers. You can slap whatever label like on it, but its worse than most attacks arbitrarily labeled as terrorism. Its also not an isolated incident, its systemic. The latest episode about 43 students being murdered is still in the news.

    The world is full of really nasty characters, but that doesn't justify killing innocent civilians just to get at them. Its unacceptable for drone operators who are no personal risk to destroy obvious civilians locations like cafes and then pretend to be avoiding collateral damage.

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