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Stupidity of the American Voter?

whysoserious said:
Taxes are not wealth redistribution. The government does provide some services, and it was designed to be able to do that through taxation. Yes, you and tres are the reason Gruber felt the ACA needed to be disguised, because apparently taxation = communism now.

It's, uhh, sad at best.
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No, folks like me and Tres saw through the subterfuge. It was desguised, so people like you would go out and pimp the bill. Gruber wasn't talking about folks like me and Tres, when he referred to the stupidity of the American people, with Obama.

The sad part, is that even after the lies have been exposed and admitted to, you and your ilk are STILL pimping the bill! :lamo
 
whysoserious said:
The Constitution does not spell out every possible thing Congress can do. It's a guideline.

And hold on. First of all, don't compare slavery to a bill that attempts to improve health care for everyone in the country. That's dumb as ****.
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So, you don't think that being forced to something that you don't want to do, by someone that has no authority to do so, has any similarities with slavery? Right.

Oh, and it does say the the federal government is limited to the powers given to it by the Constitution. If it doesn't say it has a power, then that power belongs to the States and the people. It doesn't just get to grab it.

Secondly, building tanks isn't in there either. Flying drones. I don't recall the CIA being in the Constitution. What about Air Force One? I don't recall that being written in by the Founders either.
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I can only guess that you are joking with that statement. Notice, I didn't call it dumb or juvenile.

Congress is given specific authority to declare war, raise and support armies, provide for a navy, establish the rules for the operation of American military forces, organize and arm the militias of the states, and specify the conditions for converting the militias into national service

A Constitutional Basis for National Security and Defense

Let's try to argue above a grade school level here, please.
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I don't think it is "dumb" to call out the government when violating the Constitution. Let's not call other's argument's names or at grade school level, shall we? Especially when you are in the wrong.
 
apdst said:
No, folks like me and Tres saw through the subterfuge. It was desguised, so people like you would go out and pimp the bill. Gruber wasn't talking about folks like me and Tres, when he referred to the stupidity of the American people, with Obama.

The sad part, is that even after the lies have been exposed and admitted to, you and your ilk are STILL pimping the bill! :lamo
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Do you not get it? I want full unvervsal health care. It doesn't have to be disguised for me. How do you not get that? Is it that hard? Let me spell it for you:

I WANTED IT, AND PERSONALLY, IT DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH FOR ME.
 
apdst said:
No, folks like me and Tres saw through the subterfuge. It was desguised, so people like you would go out and pimp the bill. Gruber wasn't talking about folks like me and Tres, when he referred to the stupidity of the American people, with Obama.

The sad part, is that even after the lies have been exposed and admitted to, you and your ilk are STILL pimping the bill! :lamo
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And unless you haven't voted GOP or Dem before, yes you are one of them as well. The GOP have also voted for big pork projects that the taxpayers have had to fork out money for. Do you REALLY think we need an organization as big as homeland security? Gimme a break. Anyone that votes Dem or GOP are paying for large government and large taxes.

Might want to get off that soapbox before you fall off it.
 
whysoserious said:
Do you not get it? I want full unvervsal health care. It doesn't have to be disguised for me. How do you not get that? Is it that hard? Let me spell it for you:

I WANTED IT, AND PERSONALLY, IT DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH FOR ME.
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You prove Gruber's point! :lamo
 
TheNextEra said:
And unless you haven't voted GOP or Dem before, yes you are one of them as well. The GOP have also voted for big pork projects that the taxpayers have had to fork out money for. Do you REALLY think we need an organization as big as homeland security? Gimme a break. Anyone that votes Dem or GOP are paying for large government and large taxes.

Might want to get off that soapbox before you fall off it.
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How many Republicans voted for Obamacare? List them for us. Thanks, in advance!
 
apdst said:
No, folks like me and Tres saw through the subterfuge. It was desguised, so people like you would go out and pimp the bill. Gruber wasn't talking about folks like me and Tres, when he referred to the stupidity of the American people, with Obama.

The sad part, is that even after the lies have been exposed and admitted to, you and your ilk are STILL pimping the bill! :lamo
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Clearly, their lies were to fool their own base. They did not get one Republican vote for the ACA, so, obviously, there was no need to try and fool any Republicans. They knew that they were not getting any votes there. They had to fool their own. And the sad thing is, they still don't even realize what happened.
 
apdst said:
How many Republicans voted for Obamacare? List them for us. Thanks, in advance!
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Zero. Now please tell me how that refutes what I said in the previous quote? Thanks in advance!
 
whysoserious said:
Please, go on. See if you can somehow form your thoughts into words.
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Now that you're painted into a corner, you resort to insults. Insults are the white flag of surrender for Liberals.
 
Anthony60 said:
Clearly, their lies were to fool their own base. They did not get one Republican vote for the ACA, so, obviously, there was no need to try and fool any Republicans. They knew that they were not getting any votes there. They had to fool their own. And the sad thing is, they still don't even realize what happened.
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They went way further than that, they had to buy their own..................Cornhusker Kickback, Louisianna Purchase.....
 
Anthony60 said:
So, you don't think that being forced to something that you don't want to do, by someone that has no authority to do so, has any similarities with slavery? Right.
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No. I don't. That's insanity. I don't want to go to work, either, but I have to. I don't want to get up and feed my baby at 3am, but I gotta do that too. Quit crying. The government was given the explicit authority to tax to promote social welfare for society.

Anthony60 said:
Oh, and it does say the the federal government is limited to the powers given to it by the Constitution. If it doesn't say it has a power, then that power belongs to the States and the people. It doesn't just get to grab it.
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Correct. For instance, the powers given to it such as taxation.

Anthony60 said:
I can only guess that you are joking with that statement. Notice, I didn't call it dumb or juvenile.
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I am of the opinion that is extremely juvenile to compare the ACA to slavery. And it's a damn insult to the memory of those who actually experienced slavery.

Anthony60 said:
Congress is given specific authority to declare war, raise and support armies, provide for a navy, establish the rules for the operation of American military forces, organize and arm the militias of the states, and specify the conditions for converting the militias into national service

A Constitutional Basis for National Security and Defense

I don't think it is "dumb" to call out the government when violating the Constitution. Let's not call other's argument's names or at grade school level, shall we? Especially when you are in the wrong.
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"Section 8. Clause 1. The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States."
 
apdst said:
You just blew your previous post out of the water. Good job!
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How so, is homeland security not a big waste? Did the GOP not increase the size and scope of government as well as spending? You still have not refuted ANYTHING I said in the previous post.
 
apdst said:
Now that you're painted into a corner, you resort to insults. Insults are the white flag of surrender for Liberals.
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Jesus. Christ.

apdst, please do us all the honor, and explain your reasoning why Gruber thinks he had to mask the bill to liberals - a group of people, who if they had their way, would have taken it 5 steps further.
 
TheNextEra said:
How so, is homeland security not a big waste? Did the GOP not increase the size and scope of government as well as spending? You still have not refuted ANYTHING I said in the previous post.
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You're comparing apples to oranges. Pork barrel spending has NOTHING to do with healthcare legislation. If you want to start a thread about wasteful spending by the government, I'll be all over that, but that's a long way away from the topic of this thread.
 
apdst said:
You're comparing apples to oranges. Pork barrel spending has NOTHING to do with healthcare legislation. If you want to start a thread about wasteful spending by the government, I'll be all over that, but that's a long way away from the topic of this thread.
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Ah so you're ok with wasteful spending as long as it is the GOP doing it. And you have proven my comments right yet again. Please keep going, this is hilarious. :lamo
 
whysoserious said:
Jesus. Christ.

apdst, please do us all the honor, and explain your reasoning why Gruber thinks he had to mask the bill to liberals - a group of people, who if they had their way, would have taken it 5 steps further.
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You just answered your own question.
 
TheNextEra said:
Ah so you're ok with wasteful spending as long as it is the GOP doing it. And you have proven my comments right yet again. Please keep going, this is hilarious. :lamo
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1) Wasteful spending has nothing to do with the topic.

2) Don't put words into my mouth, because you know damn well I never said any such thing. Don't lie, you're better than that.
 
whysoserious said:
Please cite some examples of the Constitution being violated.
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The upcoming presidential dictate concerning illegals.

The Senate originating bills.

The NSA domestic spy program.

Bypassing congress.

Making "treaties" without the approval of congress, ie; recent deal with China, and enforcing through regulatory bodies as though they have the force of law.

Need more?
 
whysoserious said:
No. I don't. That's insanity. I don't want to go to work, either, but I have to. I don't want to get up and feed my baby at 3am, but I gotta do that too. Quit crying. The government was given the explicit authority to tax to promote social welfare for society.
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Wow, you were forced to have a baby? Sorry to hear that.


Correct. For instance, the powers given to it such as taxation.
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Very limited. As it states in your quote below.


I am of the opinion that is extremely juvenile to compare the ACA to slavery. And it's a damn insult to the memory of those who actually experienced slavery.
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But it is not. We are not comparing the act of slavery to the act of forcing people to buy healthcare, though you seem to fail to see the similarities. The point was made that the Supreme Court ruled in favor of both, which you can not deny.


"Section 8. Clause 1. The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States."
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As I posted before, sure does look like the Constitution provides for a national defense. Is there another point you were trying to make? You posted this without making a point.
 
whysoserious said:
Do you not get it? I want full unvervsal health care. It doesn't have to be disguised for me. How do you not get that? Is it that hard? Let me spell it for you:

I WANTED IT, AND PERSONALLY, IT DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH FOR ME.
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So you vehemently oppose the ACA then? You want it overturned?
 
whysoserious said:
Do you not get it? I want full unvervsal health care. It doesn't have to be disguised for me. How do you not get that? Is it that hard? Let me spell it for you:

I WANTED IT, AND PERSONALLY, IT DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH FOR ME.
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They were not deceiving people about stepping toward socialized medicine, they were trying to fool people about the costs, about it really being a wealth redistribution program, about the fact that the younger people would have to pay in large amounts of money and get almost nothing out.
 
ObamacareFail said:
You are clueless. Prior to the Community Re-investment act signed into law by Carter. Home loans were awarded based on credit history and income. Banks preferred that you actually could pay back the loan.
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And that never stopped. Banks simply could not use the excuse anymore that they don't give loans to people based on credit history and income that qualify but are in a neighboring they don't like. Try reading something other than you hack sites and you might just trip across the truth once in a while.
 
poweRob said:
And that never stopped. Banks simply could not use the excuse anymore that they don't give loans to people based on credit history and income that qualify but are in a neighboring they don't like. Try reading something other than you hack sites and you might just trip across the truth once in a while.
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Lol !!

If the CRA was about stopping discrimination based on color and neighborhood then why did the Government force banks and the GSEs to lower their standards ?
 
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