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Stupidity of the American Voter?

whysoserious said:
Is that correct though? That those plans that were lost were so bad they couldn't be used? Are you able to get past the first sentence of a post, or is that too much to ask?
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You can stop that line of bull anytime now. I was one of those whose individual plan was cancelled. There was nothing wrong with the plan and I very much did use it. It is the obamacare approved plan they wanted to stick me with that I could not have used unless something catastrophic happened to me.
 
Conservative said:
They are also taking credit for Medicaid sign ups from people who were eligible for Medicaid but had failed to sign up. Don't be fooled by the Obama rhetoric again
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Exactly.
 
poweRob said:
Moar right-wing lies...

For the Last Time, Fannie and Freddie Didn't Cause the Housing Crisis
The housing bubble occurred during a period when Fannie and Freddie's market share of high-risk mortgages dropped.​
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Don't gruber to us, man. Fannie and Freddie's shares dropped because they had sold them to other financial institutions (or where else do you think those shares went?) Fannie and Freddie had by that time injected over a trillion dollars in toxic loans into the financial system, hence the financial crisis.
 
CanadaJohn said:
No, I would not exclude labour from lobbying, on matters related to the employment of those union members they support. I don't know about the US, but here in Canada we have labour unions lobbying on Palestine, the Middle East, Keystone pipeline, climate control, etc. and all entirely unrelated to any employee they represent.

I promise you, if unions concentrated on the purpose for which they were created, they'd have far more support from the general public than they do now.
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Excellent observation.

I don't know about Ontario so much, but here the overwhelming majority of union workers are public sector, with the Government Employees Union and CUPE, Canadian Union of Public Employees, the largest along with teachers, medical workers bus drivers etc. They are the only ones who ever strike, we just beat a lengthy teacher's strike.

And you are right, we hear little about jobs, but during the election we heard all about the socialist NDP platform and 'higher minimum wage" crap.

I suspect the move from representing individuals in their jobs to a wing of NDP has occurred simply because working conditions are so good, all they have to worry about is global warming.

Here, we have a different pipeline targeted, and as usual they use intimidation tactics needing the courts....most of these "activists" are Union members..


Kinder Morgan Burnaby Mountain protest injunction granted - British Columbia - CBC News
 
TheDemSocialist said:
You dont think the Democrats can take back the Senate by 2016 if not then 2020? Or in your view "has the American public woken up to this terrible moderate Democrat agenda and will never give them anything again"?
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The pendulum can always swing back, but in 2016 Obama will still be President so another big Republican victory is assured.

Poor Obama. He thinks immigration will be a big winner for the Democrats. Not even Mexican Americans regard it as a top issue.

Obama's supporters should know by now that Obama lies about what he will do, and he lies about what he has done. Mark my words, his executive immigration plan isn't going to be a significant change from current policy.
 
whysoserious said:
What do we know? That the inflation rate of health care has dropped and over 10 million more people have it?

I'm confused.
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No, but I suspect you're lying.

Having read most of your posts here, all I can see is a last ditch, hail Mary attempt to flog the same old bull**** the Government Budget Office has revealed as contrary to the claims.

Look, the ****ing thing was deliberately crafted with "tortured language" to fool economic and legal experts at the GBO. What the **** do you think that means? Could it mean that just maybe that "tortured language" has been used to deceive the American people?


Fool me once....and all that. But I and, I hope, the rest of America, find that now nothing anyone says in defense of this laughing stock clown act is true a complete and deliberate lie. Period. Lower the casket we don't even want funeral.

"You can keep your plan..."

It stared there remember, and we close on "tortured language" and how stupid are the American voters......
 
Grant said:
Pelosi only underscores what Gruber was saying. They will believe anything they are told and her, Reid and Obama know it.
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OK, let's see if I'm following things here.

They make an 1,100 page law, so confusing the law makers can't or won't even read it...

That law is found to be not what it was supposed to be within days of it's enactment..

Now we are told that the "stupidity of the American voter" which ensured it's passage and that whole thing is a deceit.

So, those who still defend it are what then....the ones who are claimed to be "stupid" by the guy who designed and wrote it? The not stupid are the ones challenging it?

Is that a fair assessment?
 
ObamacareFail said:
You can stop that line of bull anytime now. I was one of those whose individual plan was cancelled. There was nothing wrong with the plan and I very much did use it. It is the obamacare approved plan they wanted to stick me with that I could not have used unless something catastrophic happened to me.
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Seriously, you went from a comprehensive plan to an emergency plan?

OK, bear with me here about how that is not only wrong, but economically stupid in the long term, with greed, corporate greed the benefactor...

Here where we have this nightmare, death panel socialist medicine that is a destroyer of people..

If you are not covered for regular check ups, such slow killers like high blood pressure, diabetes, prostate cancer etc. go undetected...and people either die, or go bankrupt [with a high deductible] when they have to start paying for the cost of having their limbs removed.

This proves to me that Obamacare has no "care" in it at all, that it's primary aim is 'corporate profit"
 
apdst said:
We know we can't keep our plan, nor our doctor. They lied about that.

We know it's just a wealth redistribution scheme. They lied about that.

We know it really is a tax on the middle and upper income levels to give the welfare class something they already had.

We know that in 2018 there's going to be a 40% tax placed on employer plsns that cost more that $10,000 a year.

And now we know the extent that they had to lie their asses off to pass this turd.

Oh and the Obamafail website, we got a deal on that one, huh?
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We know that the individual mandate was originally a Republican idea in congress in the 1990s. We know the first iteration of the ACA was implemented by a Republican in Massachusetts. We know that the biggest lie is that Republicans are stewards of liberty and the free market. They are diet socialist who put on a mask to fool their stupid voters.
 
Grim17 said:
An oversight?

LMMFAO

It was even crowned "lie of the Year" by the liberal fact checker Politifact... Then of course there are the now 6 different Gruber videos where he spills the beans on how the entire law was one giant lie packaged up by the administration to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people.

Good lord, talk about blind allegiance.
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Grant said:
Pelosi only underscores what Gruber was saying. They will believe anything they are told and her, Reid and Obama know it.
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ObamacareFail said:
Pelosi is a doofus.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Gruber's PPACA comic book.
No lie.
He has one.
Sells for around $15.
He's got a Rush Limbaugh character in one of the frames.
This Gruber dude is a piece of work.

I've summarized his expected follow up for DP readers.

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Leeburte said:
We know that the individual mandate was originally a Republican idea in congress in the 1990s. We know the first iteration of the ACA was implemented by a Republican in Massachusetts. We know that the biggest lie is that Republicans are stewards of liberty and the free market. They are diet socialist who put on a mask to fool their stupid voters.
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We know that nary a Republican voted for Obamacare.
 
poweRob said:
Moar right-wing lies...

For the Last Time, Fannie and Freddie Didn't Cause the Housing Crisis
The housing bubble occurred during a period when Fannie and Freddie's market share of high-risk mortgages dropped.​
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Was that bit of partisan drek posted BEFORE the GSEs got busted for only reporting only 1/10 of their worthless debt to the SEC or after ?

Remember ? Fannie and Freddie were exempt from SEC reporting requirements all the way up to 2006.

When they FINALLY sent the SEC their quarterly financial statements they purposefully held back Billions in worthless debt.

THAT'S Securities fraud. THAT'S unprecedented securities fraud.
 
apdst said:
We know that nary a Republican voted for Obamacare.
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A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for socialized medicine, and we know almost every conservative voted for him. He implemented a statewide plan himself, so he clearly supports socialized medicine and obviously he wasn't going to do much, if anything with the ACA while president, if he won. Conservatives proved to the world they have no ideological backbone and became the laughing stock of partisan politics when they voted for him in droves. I just can't take anything conservatives say seriously anymore.
 
Leeburte said:
A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for socialized medicine, and we know almost every conservative voted for him. He implemented a statewide plan himself, so he clearly supports socialized medicine and obviously he wasn't going to do much, if anything with the ACA while president, if he won. Conservatives proved to the world they have no ideological backbone and became the laughing stock of partisan politics when they voted for him in droves. I just can't take anything conservatives say seriously anymore.
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:lamo
 
traveled to Uzbekistan, they say that Americans eat nogami.eto low level of education
 
apdst said:
:lamo
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I feel the greatest satisfaction on this forum when I see only an emoticon in regards to a paragraph I wrote, because it confirms everything I wrote can't be disputed.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Seriously, you went from a comprehensive plan to an emergency plan?

OK, bear with me here about how that is not only wrong, but economically stupid in the long term, with greed, corporate greed the benefactor...

Here where we have this nightmare, death panel socialist medicine that is a destroyer of people..

If you are not covered for regular check ups, such slow killers like high blood pressure, diabetes, prostate cancer etc. go undetected...and people either die, or go bankrupt [with a high deductible] when they have to start paying for the cost of having their limbs removed.

This proves to me that Obamacare has no "care" in it at all, that it's primary aim is 'corporate profit"
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Fortunately for me....I have the VA healthcare option. Which is what I am now on. I told Blue Cross Blue Shield and Obamacare to go to hell.
 
Leeburte said:
We know that the individual mandate was originally a Republican idea in congress in the 1990s. We know the first iteration of the ACA was implemented by a Republican in Massachusetts. We know that the biggest lie is that Republicans are stewards of liberty and the free market. They are diet socialist who put on a mask to fool their stupid voters.
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Debunked a long time ago.

There's a big difference between considering a policy and not bringing it forward in legislation and doing so. The Republicans never brought forth legislation that contained that. The Democrats did. This is all on the Democrats for writing the legislation, forcing it down their own party members throats and down the throats of the nation and the people.
 
Leeburte said:
I feel the greatest satisfaction on this forum when I see only an emoticon in regards to a paragraph I wrote, because it confirms everything I wrote can't be disputed.
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You blame Obamacare on Republicans and you think you've won the argument? Um...:lamo
 
eohrnberger said:
Debunked a long time ago.

There's a big difference between considering a policy and not bringing it forward in legislation and doing so. The Republicans never brought forth legislation that contained that. The Democrats did. This is all on the Democrats for writing the legislation, forcing it down their own party members throats and down the throats of the nation and the people.
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Mitt Romney did something similar years before in MA, and conservatives overwhelmingly voted for him in 2012. This just proved that conservative ideology is based around combating Obama, and that they are pretty apathetic when it comes to the destruction of socialism.
 
bubbabgone said:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Gruber's PPACA comic book.
No lie.
He has one.
Sells for around $15.
He's got a Rush Limbaugh character in one of the frames.
This Gruber dude is a piece of work.

I've summarized his expected follow up for DP readers.

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The arrogance and condescension of the left leaves me utterly amazed.
Even more so now that the Gruber videos have been uncovered and brought forth, where he's basically bragging to his fellow leftists just on how ingenious he is committing fraud on the electorate.

A real POS this guy is. Real POS most leftists are.

We can only hope that this sets the leftist / progressive / liberal agenda back decades.
 
Leeburte said:
I feel the greatest satisfaction on this forum when I see only an emoticon in regards to a paragraph I wrote, because it confirms everything I wrote can't be disputed.
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Or at least can't be disputed by that individual.

But I agree, drive by posts of smilies is not debate, it's kindergarden on the internet. When they learn to use words, it gets a bit less tiresome
 
apdst said:
You blame Obamacare on Republicans and you think you've won the argument? Um...:lamo
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reading comprehension is a valued skill that should be refined by everyone (they test for it in the military, law enforcement, and college). I never blamed Obamacare on Republicans, but highlighted Republican policies that supported or implemented socialized medicine, and this hasn't reduced any conservative support for the Republican Party. If you want to be taken seriously when making an idealogical stance, you can't support people who don't represent that ideology.
 
Fearandloathing said:
OK, let's see if I'm following things here.

They make an 1,100 page law, so confusing the law makers can't or won't even read it...

That law is found to be not what it was supposed to be within days of it's enactment..

Now we are told that the "stupidity of the American voter" which ensured it's passage and that whole thing is a deceit.

So, those who still defend it are what then....the ones who are claimed to be "stupid" by the guy who designed and wrote it? The not stupid are the ones challenging it?

Is that a fair assessment?
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That seems to be a fair assessment. And if the targets of Gruber's comments can understand an 1,100 page 'tortuous' document they should be able to understand those six lines.
 
Leeburte said:
Mitt Romney did something similar years before in MA, and conservatives overwhelmingly voted for him in 2012. This just proved that conservative ideology is based around combating Obama, and that they are pretty apathetic when it comes to the destruction of socialism.
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I believe that Romney was pretty much forced into implementing RomneyCare by the heavily liberal / progressive / Democrat state legislature.

You taking voting for Romney in the presidential and against Obama as some sort of endorsement of socialized medicine surely is ideologically based distortion if there ever was.
 
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