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Stupidity of the American Voter?

whysoserious said:
You mean it's voluntary if you don't mind not getting health care? Health care itself isn't really voluntary, so I don't know why you would want uninsured people roaming the country. Are you against forcing motorists to carry insurance, too?

Just like with vehicles, the uninsured in health care drive up costs. Think of that giant hospital bill you and your insurance company pay to be akin to a larger version of the uninsured/under-insured policy you pay for with your vehicle.
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I mean its not coerced (imagine that!) by liberal laws that never seem to work.
 
whysoserious said:
You mean it's voluntary if you don't mind not getting health care? Health care itself isn't really voluntary, so I don't know why you would want uninsured people roaming the country. Are you against forcing motorists to carry insurance, too?

Just like with vehicles, the uninsured in health care drive up costs. Think of that giant hospital bill you and your insurance company pay to be akin to a larger version of the uninsured/under-insured policy you pay for with your vehicle.
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Even after what we know, you're still trying to sell Obamacare with the same tired talking points! :lamo
 
apdst said:
Even after what we know, you're still trying to sell Obamacare with the same tired talking points! :lamo
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What do we know? That the inflation rate of health care has dropped and over 10 million more people have it?

I'm confused.
 
US Conservative said:
I mean its not coerced (imagine that!) by liberal laws that never seem to work.
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As opposed to the conservative law of the "free market" that doesn't work and never has. The "free market", aka we don't know how to fix it so screw it?
 
Grim17 said:
Did you see Jake Tapper bust Pelosi on his show for lying about knowing Gruber?

If you didn't, you can see the clip here... It's another Pelosi classic.
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Pelosi only underscores what Gruber was saying. They will believe anything they are told and her, Reid and Obama know it.
 
Kobie said:
I'll get to it when I get to it. Jumping through hoops for you is not particularly high on my to-do list.
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I'm sure you will... lol

You not getting around to it yet wouldn't have anything to do with not being able to find anything other than that one example now would it? You don't need to respond because the answer will become very clear soon enough, and I don't need a crystal ball to know what that answer will be.
 
US Conservative said:
The massive flaws in logic here are almost stunning to behold. Let me guess what works, liberalism?
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If we're talking health care, I'd say most industrialized countries that use the liberal idea of national healthcare are getting along pretty well.

Yeah.

What's the leap in logic, anyway? Isn't that what you are advocating - the free market handles health care. Don't regulate it!
 
whysoserious said:
If we're talking health care, I'd say most industrialized countries that use the liberal idea of national healthcare are getting along pretty well.

Yeah.

What's the leap in logic, anyway? Isn't that what you are advocating - the free market handles health care. Don't regulate it!
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If it is so wonderful, then why did Obama have to lie in order to fool his "stupid" supporters?

If it's so wonderful, then how come it's been anywhere from a dissapointment to a disaster thus far?
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Grant. :2wave:

One of my brothers is seriously considering Costa Rica! :thumbs: They plan to put their house here up for sale in the Spring, and make a final decision then. Glad to read your post!
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PM me if I can be of any help or offer advice, Polgara. I've been back and forth between there and Canada for over 20 years now and have no regrets. I like it because there are so many direct flights now and it's not an island. Fine climate and people and safe. I'm not in the real estate biz!
 
Grim17 said:
If it is so wonderful, then why did Obama have to lie in order to fool his "stupid" supporters?

If it's so wonderful, then how come it's been anywhere from a dissapointment to a disaster thus far?
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Are you talking about the keep your doctor thing? Wasn't that an oversight, where it was essentially true, unless your health care plan was so terrible that it didn't even fit the guidelines of a government run plan?

As for the disappointment, the numbers really don't support that. Inflation on health care has dropped, more people have it, and the ones that have it seem to be pretty satisfied. Here's the conservative run Washington Post on Obamacare:

Some badly needed good news for Obamacare - The Washington Post
The poll shows those who have enrolled in health insurance plans under Obamacare are quite happy with the coverage they have received -- about as happy as the rest of Americans are with their insurance, at least.
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So less inflation, more covered, and those that are covered are as happy as those who got theirs through traditional means. I'm failing to see your point, as usual, Grim.
 
whysoserious said:
Are you talking about the keep your doctor thing? Wasn't that an oversight, where it was essentially true,
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An oversight?

LMMFAO

It was even crowned "lie of the Year" by the liberal fact checker Politifact... Then of course there are the now 6 different Gruber videos where he spills the beans on how the entire law was one giant lie packaged up by the administration to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people.

Good lord, talk about blind allegiance.
 
Grim17 said:
An oversight?

LMMFAO

It was even crowned "lie of the Year" by the liberal fact checker Politifact... Then of course there are the now 6 different Gruber videos where he spills the beans on how the entire law was one giant lie packaged up by the administration to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people.

Good lord, talk about blind allegiance.
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Is that correct though? That those plans that were lost were so bad they couldn't be used? Are you able to get past the first sentence of a post, or is that too much to ask?
 
Grim17 said:
An oversight?

LMMFAO

It was even crowned "lie of the Year" by the liberal fact checker Politifact... Then of course there are the now 6 different Gruber videos where he spills the beans on how the entire law was one giant lie packaged up by the administration to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people.

Good lord, talk about blind allegiance.
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His name says it all.
 
whysoserious said:
What do we know? That the inflation rate of health care has dropped and over 10 million more people have it?

I'm confused.
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We know we can't keep our plan, nor our doctor. They lied about that.

We know it's just a wealth redistribution scheme. They lied about that.

We know it really is a tax on the middle and upper income levels to give the welfare class something they already had.

We know that in 2018 there's going to be a 40% tax placed on employer plsns that cost more that $10,000 a year.

And now we know the extent that they had to lie their asses off to pass this turd.

Oh and the Obamafail website, we got a deal on that one, huh?
 
apdst said:
We know we can't keep our plan, nor our doctor. They lied about that.

We know it's just a wealth redistribution scheme. They lied about that.

We know it really is a tax on the middle and upper income levels to give the welfare class something they already had.

We know that in 2018 there's going to be a 40% tax placed on employer plsns that cost more that $10,000 a year.

And now we know the extent that they had to lie their asses off to pass this turd.

Oh and the Obamafail website, we got a deal on that one, huh?
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Notice that I never get an answer to the question as to "what it is about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?"

"Lack of transparency is a huge advantage. And basically, you know, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever. But basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass."
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Grim17 said:
Did you see Jake Tapper bust Pelosi on his show for lying about knowing Gruber?

If you didn't, you can see the clip here... It's another Pelosi classic.
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Pelosi is a doofus.
 
poweRob said:
Moar right-wing lies...

For the Last Time, Fannie and Freddie Didn't Cause the Housing Crisis
The housing bubble occurred during a period when Fannie and Freddie's market share of high-risk mortgages dropped.​
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It started with the Community Reinvestment act signed into law by President Jimmy "Peanut Farmer" Carter. It spurred on by democrats through the auspices of quasi government mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Even Democrat Barney Frank eventually admitted as much. Hiding losses from bad loans is in fact what caused the mortgage market collapse.
 
whysoserious said:
What do we know? That the inflation rate of health care has dropped and over 10 million more people have it?

I'm confused.
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Such baloney. The so-called drop in the inflation rate is as phony as a three dollar bill. It is not the cost of healthcare that is dropping...it's the amount of healthcare spending. And the spending is only dropping because so many Americans are stuck policies with such high deductibles that they cannot afford to go to the doctor. As for the claim that 10 million more have insurance, how would you know? The "Hussein" Obama administration still has not released the breakdowns as to how many of those who signed up for obamacare had previous insurance.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Such baloney. The so-called drop in the inflation rate is as phony as a three dollar bill. It is not the cost of healthcare that is dropping...it's the amount of healthcare spending. And the spending is only dropping because so many Americans are stuck policies with such high deductibles that they cannot afford to go to the doctor. As for the claim that 10 million more have insurance, how would you know? The "Hussein" Obama administration still has not released the breakdowns as to how many of those who signed up for obamacare had previous insurance.
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They are also taking credit for Medicaid sign ups from people who were eligible for Medicaid but had failed to sign up. Don't be fooled by the Obama rhetoric again
 
whysoserious said:
As opposed to the conservative law of the "free market" that doesn't work and never has. The "free market", aka we don't know how to fix it so screw it?
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Prior to Obamacare, the free marker health insurance worked out quite well for me. However after Obamacare passed, with the exception of life insurance, dental and vision, I dropped out of the private insurance market altogether. I am not about to pay $700.00 monthly premiums for a $6000.00 deductible policy. I am now covered on VA Healthcare.
 
whysoserious said:
If we're talking health care, I'd say most industrialized countries that use the liberal idea of national healthcare are getting along pretty well.

Yeah.

What's the leap in logic, anyway? Isn't that what you are advocating - the free market handles health care. Don't regulate it!
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That depends on what you consider: "Pretty well".
 
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