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Stupidity of the American Voter?

TheDemSocialist said:
Who is this thread about again?
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The voters who were intentionally duped into thinking the ACA was a good law by being misled and having "tortured language" tossed at them by Obama and his MIT genius who thinks you ACA supporters are stupid.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So when the Democrats do take back the Senate or House will it be "the Americans going back to sleep"? Or will they "be waking back up again?"
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The Obama administration deliberately lied to the country to pass their liberal agenda Obamacare. It seems you are still asleep. There's your answer.
 
tres borrachos said:
The voters who were intentionally duped into thinking the ACA was a good law by being misled and having "tortured language" tossed at them by Obama and his MIT genius who thinks you ACA supporters are stupid.
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Didnt know there was a direct vote on the ACA...
But none the less about the "stupid part". Most people when told about the ACA's provisions they agree with them, but once you put say do you like "Obamacare" they say no... So who is stupid?
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063969767 said:
The Obama administration deliberately lied to the country to pass their liberal agenda Obamacare. It seems you are still asleep. There's your answer.
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I am not asleep. I even said, yes Obama lied.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Didnt know there was a direct vote on the ACA...
But none the less about the "stupid part". Most people when told about the ACA's provisions they agree with them, but once you put say do you like "Obamacare" they say no... So who is stupid?
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Who is stupid? According to Gruber, it's the voters who needed to be duped to support Obama's ghastly law. According to you, it's the entire USA. One of you is wrong. Guess which one?
 
apdst said:
Those bastards don't know what lie to tell, nor when to tell it.
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LOL, a tax becomes a fee in order to get it passed and when a fee would be ruled unconstitutional, the fee reverts back to a tax. It really is quite simple.
 
tres borrachos said:
Who is stupid? According to Gruber, it's the voters who needed to be duped to support Obama's ghastly law. According to you, it's the entire USA. One of you is wrong. Guess which one?
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:lamo The vast majority of Americans like the key provisions in the ACA..... But once its called Obamacare instead of the ACA they disagree with it...
 
apdst said:
And, Obama is a Liberal. The Liberals over-reached bad when they secured the two branches.
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I'll grant you that, they did really over reach in 2009 and 2010 mainly because they could. Just be thankful that so much of those first two years was taken up with the ACA that the actual damage was minimal.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:lamo The vast majority of Americans like the key provisions in the ACA..... But once its called Obamacare instead of the ACA they disagree with it...
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It is true there are a lot of provisions in the ACA that the majority of Americans like, no doubt about it. But as long as the majority of Americans are opposed to the ACA it will hang around the Democrats necks like an albatross. Good, bad or indifferent the Democrats own health care.

FYI: Here is a list of Democratic senators in states where at least 55% of the citizens of those states, a few in the low 60% range opposed Obamacare when it was first passed in the senate back in 2009. These Democratic senators ignored the wishes of the people who elected them and sent them to Washington to represent them, which they did not. A few survived, but most are gone or shortly will be. Sometimes when senators tell the voters to stick it where the sun don’t shine, they bite back.

AK Begich – is losing and when the results are final, he will be gone
AR Lincoln & Pryor – Both gone, defeated in the next election after the ACA was passed
CO Bennett & Udall – Bennett survived, Udall is gone
IN Bayh – He retired without seeking re-election
LA Landrieu – In runoff in December at which time she will be gone
MO McCaskill – she survived only because the Republicans ran a nut in the form of Aiken. She had a 62% disapproval rating, Aiken had a 71% disapproval rating. With anyone but Aiken running against her, she would have been long gone, but such is life in politics.
MT Tester survived, Baucus retired instead of facing re-election
NE Nelson – retired instead of facing re-election
NC Hagan – Defeated by Tillis
SD Johnson – retired instead of facing re-election
VA Warner – looks like he will survive by the skin of his teeth.
WV Byrd and Rockefeller – Both retired instead of seeking re-election

Total 12 defeated or retired instead of facing the wrath of the people, 4 survived the odds.
 
Perotista said:
It is true there are a lot of provisions in the ACA that the majority of Americans like, no doubt about it. But as long as the majority of Americans are opposed to the ACA it will hang around the Democrats necks like an albatross. Good, bad or indifferent the Democrats own health care.
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Even tho they agree with it when its named something else which pretty much plays into my opinion, the as a population we are pretty dumb...

FYI: Here is a list of Democratic senators in states where at least 55% of the citizens of those states, a few in the low 60% range opposed Obamacare when it was first passed in the senate back in 2009. These Democratic senators ignored the wishes of the people who elected them and sent them to Washington to represent them, which they did not. A few survived, but most are gone or shortly will be. Sometimes when senators tell the voters to stick it where the sun don’t shine, they bite back.

AK Begich – is losing and when the results are final, he will be gone
AR Lincoln & Pryor – Both gone, defeated in the next election after the ACA was passed
CO Bennett & Udall – Bennett survived, Udall is gone
IN Bayh – He retired without seeking re-election
LA Landrieu – In runoff in December at which time she will be gone
MO McCaskill – she survived only because the Republicans ran a nut in the form of Aiken. She had a 62% disapproval rating, Aiken had a 71% disapproval rating. With anyone but Aiken running against her, she would have been long gone, but such is life in politics.
MT Tester survived, Baucus retired instead of facing re-election
NE Nelson – retired instead of facing re-election
NC Hagan – Defeated by Tillis
SD Johnson – retired instead of facing re-election
VA Warner – looks like he will survive by the skin of his teeth.
WV Byrd and Rockefeller – Both retired instead of seeking re-election

Total 12 defeated or retired instead of facing the wrath of the people, 4 survived the odds.
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No way! This happened?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Thank God for Governor Walker, right?
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Despite Walker. I'm trying to think what Walker has done for me. I'm coming up blank. I'm doing fine but our state is slipping fast. Our poor kids will be as stupid as the kids in Texas if this keeps up.
 
Another example of American stupidity. Congress has an 11% approval yet 96% of the incumbents were re-elected.

How did that definition of "insanity," go? Maybe we are not stupid after all. Just insane.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063969767 said:
The Obama administration deliberately lied to the country to pass their liberal agenda Obamacare. It seems you are still asleep. There's your answer.
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Bush lied about WMDs, Clinton lied about Monica, Bush 1 lied about taxes, Reagan lied about Iran...Ron Paul is the only truth telling politician and you are still asleep if you think your Republican representatives are honest. There's your answer.
 
ChezC3 said:
Say what you want about the guy but he has won 3 elections in the last 4 years...

That says something.
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Not sure how you got any criticism of Walker from what I posted. He's a hero to those of us who want government to rein in spending and public sector unions.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Not sure how you got any criticism of Walker from what I posted. He's a hero to those of us who want government to rein in spending and public sector unions.
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Was just a passing comment... I'm conflicted with Walker. I think he went too far with that Union thing, but I can appreciate his fiscal discipline.
 
ChezC3 said:
Was just a passing comment... I'm conflicted with Walker. I think he went too far with that Union thing, but I can appreciate his fiscal discipline.
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As I understand it, the teaching union pension plan had the state taxpayer paying upwards of five times what a teacher was paying to fund that teacher's pension. It needed a strong arm and an axe to get that under control - Walker provided it.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:lamo The vast majority of Americans like the key provisions in the ACA..... But once its called Obamacare instead of the ACA they disagree with it...
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Has zero to do with what we're discussing.

You & Howard Dean are the only people I've seen so far defending Gruber. This is going to hurt the ACA badly, so giggle your brains out, but realize what this guy did.

Not even the left wing media is reacting to this the way you are.
 
tres borrachos said:
Has zero to do with what we're discussing.

You & Howard Dean are the only people I've seen so far defending Gruber. This is going to hurt the ACA badly, so giggle your brains out, but realize what this guy did.

Not even the left wing media is reacting to this the way you are.
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An admission by an architect of a massive piece of legislation that lies were knowingly told to the American people just to get it passed, should outrage EVERYONE. But it doesn't outrage liberals because their agenda is more important than the truth.

What Gruber did was engage in a moment of honesty. He let the truth behind liberal tactics and how liberals view the public peek out. Deceit is simply a means. And to the liberal, then ends justify the means so anything goes.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Didnt know there was a direct vote on the ACA...
But none the less about the "stupid part". Most people when told about the ACA's provisions they agree with them, but once you put say do you like "Obamacare" they say no... So who is stupid?
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You are getting your ass handed to you. Be mature and just admit that you were lied to as well and move on. apologies show maturity.
 
Captain America said:
Despite Walker. I'm trying to think what Walker has done for me. I'm coming up blank. I'm doing fine but our state is slipping fast. Our poor kids will be as stupid as the kids in Texas if this keeps up.
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LOL, stupid as Texans? Now that is funny. Just another example of jealousy of the left who really has no clue as to what is going on in TX as they read the headlines and ignore the facts. I always thought you were smarter than this. As usual however I am always disappointed when I give a liberal too much credit. Guess this is why millions are moving to TX including Fortune 500 Companies so they can tap into the low education level of the citizens??
 
Fletch said:
An admission by an architect of a massive piece of legislation that lies were knowingly told to the American people just to get it passed, should outrage EVERYONE. But it doesn't outrage liberals because their agenda is more important than the truth.

What Gruber did was engage in a moment of honesty. He let the truth behind liberal tactics and how liberals view the public peek out. Deceit is simply a means. And to the liberal, then ends justify the means so anything goes.
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I watched Morning Joe, and except for the screamer Howard Dean, even the Liberals on the panel simply could not reconcile this fool's words. They are (rightfully so) in a panic about what this moron's admission will do to the SCOTUS ruling that's coming. The judges do read the papers and they will see this. I'll bet Obama is ready to wring this guy's neck.

All we wanted to do was get the law passed, so we intentionally misled, withheld information, lied, and counted on the "stupidity" of the American voters? We knew what was going to happen if the states didn't set up their own exchanges but we intentionally didn't tell anyone that? We knew that there was no way you could "keep your doctor if you like your doctor" but we said it anyway because we knew the American voters were too stupid to challenge us?

Even Mika, who is normally a cackling Liberal, had to admit this is really really bad for everyone.

And a few of them pointed out that this WILL be brought up in the debates in 2016, whether it's Hillary or another candidate. The GOP candidate will hammer this over and over and over again.

No normal American likes to know that the President and his band of arrogant law creators think they're so stupid.
 
Captain America said:
Another example of American stupidity. Congress has an 11% approval yet 96% of the incumbents were re-elected.

How did that definition of "insanity," go? Maybe we are not stupid after all. Just insane.
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Just goes to show that national polls are irrelevant when it comes to local races which is what Congressional elections are.
 
tres borrachos said:
I watched Morning Joe, and except for the screamer Howard Dean, even the Liberals on the panel simply could not reconcile this fool's words. They are (rightfully so) in a panic about what this moron's admission will do to the SCOTUS ruling that's coming. The judges do read the papers and they will see this. I'll bet Obama is ready to wring this guy's neck.

All we wanted to do was get the law passed, so we intentionally misled, withheld information, lied, and counted on the "stupidity" of the American voters? We knew what was going to happen if the states didn't set up their own exchanges but we intentionally didn't tell anyone that? We knew that there was no way you could "keep your doctor if you like your doctor" but we said it anyway because we knew the American voters were too stupid to challenge us?

Even Mika, who is normally a cackling Liberal, had to admit this is really really bad for everyone.

And a few of them pointed out that this WILL be brought up in the debates in 2016, whether it's Hillary or another candidate. The GOP candidate will hammer this over and over and over again.

No normal American likes to know that the President and his band of arrogant law creators think they're so stupid.
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I didn't watch, but I suspect liberals are more concerned about the political damage this guys admission will do than they are about the fact that there was widespread deceit employed to get this bill through congress. The are probably more pissed that this guy said what he said rather than being pissed about the what took place.
 
CanadaJohn said:
As I understand it, the teaching union pension plan had the state taxpayer paying upwards of five times what a teacher was paying to fund that teacher's pension. It needed a strong arm and an axe to get that under control - Walker provided it.
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That wasn't the part that really bugged me, though, I mean, c'mon numbers can be finagled to make it look like whatever they want it to. As the saying goes "Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics..."

It was the bargaining restrictions and the mishegoss which was pure union busting which stuck in my craw...
 
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