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Stupidity of the American Voter?

Didnt see anything at the 37 mark. Something about transparency. Just because its not fully transparent does not mean its lying..

Well, the Bottomline was what BO was telling the American People, it was not a Tax. Yet here is Gruber telling us that's what it was all along.

What did he say they told the CBO and why?

 
“This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies.”

And then they argue before the SCOTUS that the fees are not fees, but taxes.
 
He admits that the objective was to deceive the people. Deception = a lie.
No no no. "To score the mandate as a tax", which they (the CBO) did not .

"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan...period".
Last time I checked Gruber didnt say that..
 
No no no. "To score the mandate as a tax", which they (the CBO) did not .


Last time I checked Gruber didnt say that..


In the video, Gruber points out that if Democrats had been honest about these facts, and that the law’s individual mandate is in effect a major tax hike, Obamacare would never have passed Congress.

Gruber also points out that Obamacare’s individual mandate—the provision that requires most Americans to buy government-approved insurance, or pay a fine—was described in the law as a “penalty” instead of as a “tax” in order to hide the mandate’s effects. “I mean, this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the [individual] mandate as taxes,” said Gruber. “If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. Okay, so [the law is] written to do that.”.....snip~

ACA Architect: 'The Stupidity Of The American Voter' Led Us To Hide Obamacare's True Costs From The Public - Forbes
 
No no no. "To score the mandate as a tax", which they (the CBO) did not .


Last time I checked Gruber didnt say that..


The law and its provisions were misrepresented purposefully so that the " idiot voters " wouldn't oppose it based on its actual content.

We had to be lied to because we were too stupid to know how great this law was.

There's no defense for that. There's no way to tie a bow around that and call it something else.

Just add to a the long list of the Obama administrations " F*** You's " to the American people.

Its part of his already severely tarnished legacy now for all to see.
 
Well, the Bottomline was what BO was telling the American People, it was not a Tax. Yet here is Gruber telling us that's what it was all along.
That is correct "BO" did say that. Gruber did no say that.


What did he say they told the CBO and why?


Simple. Political gain. This is politics afterall.
 
That is correct "BO" did say that. Gruber did no say that.



Simple. Political gain. This is politics afterall.


What part did you miss from Forbes wherein it states if Democrats had been honest? Was there some confusion about this?
 
What part did you miss from Forbes wherein it states if Democrats had been honest? Was there some confusion about this?

I miss the part which this article is misquoting him on..
 
Simple. Political gain. This is politics afterall.
Are you defending an outright lie by the president of the United States as nothing more than politics?? I guess that means that Bush's supposed lies about WMD's were cool in your book too, eh?

This is an important lesson for all non-liberals out there--lying, to the left, is necessary and essential if it means advancing its own political aims. Don't think they would lie about global warming because Americans are too stupid to know what is good for them? Think again.
 
Are you defending an outright lie by the president of the United States as nothing more than politics?? I guess that means that Bush's supposed lies about WMD's were cool in your book too, eh?
Am I defending lies? No. Obama did lie about the "if you like your doctor you can keep it". But this example is a misquote.

This is an important lesson for all non-liberals out there--lying, to the left, is necessary and essential if it means advancing its own political aims. Don't think they would lie about global warming because Americans are too stupid to know what is good for them? Think again.
Conspiracy! I think so!
 
Am I defending lies? No. Obama did lie about the "if you like your doctor you can keep it". But this example is a misquote.
How is this guy being misquoted? He was on air today apologizing for what he said. Yet here you are defending it.


Conspiracy! I think so!
Liberals don't conspire to tells lies, they understand it is necessary to lie to get what they want. Obamacare is exhibit A.
 
How is this guy being misquoted? He was on air today apologizing for what he said. Yet here you are defending it.
He no where said "we lied"



Liberals don't conspire to tells lies, they understand it is necessary to lie to get what they want. Obamacare is exhibit A.
You caught em! Scientists in cahoots withe green energy to make profits for green energy companies!
 
I miss the part which this article is misquoting him on..

How can you miss it, when those in the Media already have pointed out about the honesty and what was the truth. Playing with terminology such as the word transparency to use in the place of the lay-mans term.....lying. Doesn't change the reality from what it is.

Its clear if he would have been asked.....so basically you lied and thats why you weren't transparent about the Cost or the Penalty being a Tax. He would have had to answer yes. As the revelation was already out in the open.
 
He no where said "we lied"
He said specifically that aspects of the bill were misrepresented to get it passed. That's lying dude. You agree with the outcome so you defend the lie. That fits exactly into what I said about liberals in my very first post. Not only will liberals lie to get what they want, the will continue to lie even when caught. That is pretty sad.




You caught em! Scientists in cahoots withe green energy to make profits for green energy companies!
That's not what it is about at all. But I don't expect you to be honest about this any more than I would about anything else.
 
He said specifically that aspects of the bill were misrepresented to get it passed. That's lying dude. You agree with the outcome so you defend the lie. That fits exactly into what I said about liberals in my very first post. Not only will liberals lie to get what they want, the will continue to lie even when caught. That is pretty sad.




That's not what it is about at all. But I don't expect you to be honest about this any more than I would about anything else.

More disturbing is the complete lack of outrage from some about lying, misrepresenting, the con, to get a piece of legislation, a legislation with huge impact on every man woman and child, passed.

So lying of this magnitude, not just a little white lie, not a little lie to save someone's feeling, a big massive self-serving lie, by our political leaders is suddenly acceptable? Or is it acceptable only when it advances the liberal / progressive / Democrats agenda?

No one likes to be called stupid.
No one likes to be lied to.

This may very well hang around the 2016 Democrat candidate's necks like a millstone, and frankly, it should.
 
No no no. "To score the mandate as a tax", which they (the CBO) did not .


Last time I checked Gruber didnt say that..

We weren't told the truth. When you don't tell the truth, you're what? Lying, that's what.
 
More disturbing is the complete lack of outrage from some about lying, misrepresenting, the con, to get a piece of legislation, a legislation with huge impact on every man woman and child, passed.

So lying of this magnitude, not just a little white lie, not a little lie to save someone's feeling, a big massive self-serving lie, by our political leaders is suddenly acceptable? Or is it acceptable only when it advances the liberal / progressive / Democrats agenda?
No one likes to be called stupid.
No one likes to be lied to.

This may very well hang around the 2016 Democrat candidate's necks like a millstone, and frankly, it should.
Bingo on the bolded part. Truth is liberalisms first victim.
 
I wouldn't go that far. This last election was more a referendum on Obama than ideology, at least in my opinion. ABC's exit polls show 59% of those who voted were dissatisfied with the president to include 23% who were down right angry at him. 32% of those who voted said their vote was against Obama while only 20% said their vote was in support of Obama. Let's face it, the Republicans nationalized the election and for the most part ran against Obama. It is not that the Republicans put forth an agenda of their own like they did with the contract with America. They said if you are tired of Obama, vote for me.

And, Obama is a Liberal. The Liberals over-reached bad when they secured the two branches.
 
What happens when the GOP looses the Senate in the future? Will they "still be waking up"?

Guess who will still be President in 2016, that's right your messiah. So don't count your Senate seats before you have them.
 
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