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Stupidity of the American Voter?

Only a true liberal socialist would call this a moderate Democrat agenda. Most of us would call it a radical wealth redistribution and massive Central govt. agenda. The elections should have told even people like you that the public rejects it. This isn't a liberal nation, it is conservative and when conservatives run they win

how many times have voters "rejected" a party only to "reject" the other a few years later and put the same people they "rejected" initially back into power? In 2012 voters "rejected" conservatives. Another election or two they'll do it again.
 
how many times have voters "rejected" a party only to "reject" the other a few years later and put the same people they "rejected" initially back into power? In 2012 voters "rejected" conservatives. Another election or two they'll do it again.

Last I checked Republicans took the House in 2010 and retained it in 2012 and then took the entire Congress in 2014. What am I missing? Keep buying the liberal rhetoric and ignoring the liberal results. If you care to do your own research and find out why Obama lost the Congress, BEA.gov, BLS.gov, and the Treasury Website would be good places to start. those give you the official numbers for our economy as well as the bank account information including deficits and debt
 
37% turnout of register voters in this past election does not qualify as any referendum against ACA. If you guys try to f*** with it, you can kiss the senate and the white house good bye in 2016.

I personally hope you guys will get too cocky and over reach.



37% and yet almost every Republican campaigned on Repeal of BO care.....yet each won running on that Platform. While the Democrats ran away from the so called Leader's Signature legislation.....even had Manchin and some looking to dial it down on their own. Imagine that.

Now round 2 of BO's enrollment is up and a whole lot more people have lost coverage.

Moreover now with a BO Bot Architect and the admitting that BO and Team tricked the CBO.....intentionally. Tricked the American People, and Lied to the SCOTUS. Just how do you think BO's Team will be looked upon in the Highest Court in the Land?
 
Sorry, did not see that but certainly understand your feelings as they are mine as well. Amazing that we still have people who buy the Obama rhetoric and ignore actual information like this. Apparently they are indeed the ones the liberals want to focus on.

Heya Conservative. :2wave: Great minds and all that.
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/obama...e-lied-stupid-american-people-get-passed.html
 
So the answer is, Canada likes its liberal HC system.

It's not a "liberal" HC system, at least not in the classical definition of the term. But if you mean it's "liberal" in that it provides less that what was promised and continues to provide less and less as time goes on and that it is far more expensive than promised and continues to become more and more expensive as time goes on, then yes, it is indeed a liberal HC system.

I'd say it's more classically conservative in that it is designed to provide equivalent services to all citizens regardless of their station in life, wealth or status, and it provides the basic necessities of coverage needed by most if not all citizens and leaves additional services at the discretion of the individual. It is, in effect, pretty bare bones, but very few people are bankrupted by illness.

America would have been far better off if the government had decided to implement a catastrophic care policy that covered all citizens out of tax revenue and continued to leave individual choice for all the rest of medical/health care to the individual to insure or pay for out of pocket as they see the need and desire to do so. Instead, you have this bastardized system that helps no one other than insurance companies and medical practitioners/providers. Nice job.
 
It's not a "liberal" HC system, at least not in the classical definition of the term. But if you mean it's "liberal" in that it provides less that what was promised and continues to provide less and less as time goes on and that it is far more expensive than promised and continues to become more and more expensive as time goes on, then yes, it is indeed a liberal HC system.

I'd say it's more classically conservative in that it is designed to provide equivalent services to all citizens regardless of their station in life, wealth or status, and it provides the basic necessities of coverage needed by most if not all citizens and leaves additional services at the discretion of the individual. It is, in effect, pretty bare bones, but very few people are bankrupted by illness.

America would have been far better off if the government had decided to implement a catastrophic care policy that covered all citizens out of tax revenue and continued to leave individual choice for all the rest of medical/health care to the individual to insure or pay for out of pocket as they see the need and desire to do so. Instead, you have this bastardized system that helps no one other than insurance companies and medical practitioners/providers. Nice job.
LOL....yes...yes...socialized medicine is a conservative idea.

FFS, talk about revisionism!
 
Not at all, because we did it the right way, more than 50 years ago.
Actually the free enterprise system in Canada appeared to be working fine, as many around at the time can attest. Doctors even made house calls and if it was anything serious then neighbors generally chipped in to help each other. The government became involved during the polio epidemic, it was treated as the national disaster it was, and a terrific job was done.
It's not as affordable as it once was, but there isn't a single Canadian who'd trade our system for yours, particularly not now.
That's largely because they know no other way and have become dependent on it, just as the supporters of Obamacare understand.
But there is a definite push to allow "for-profit" medical services to set up shop here. There are for-profit services for things the government doesn't fund/cover, but there's also a push to have for-profit services for things the government does cover, so that people don't have such long waits if they can afford to pay for it themselves, but that is currently illegal under our system, forcing those with money to travel to the US to beat waiting lists.
Yes, the government is moving towards the once dreaded 'two tier system' because the ideology of medical care was trumping common sense. Now Canadians don't have to wait months or years for an MRI, for example, and independent clinics are springing up everywhere. The government must have realized that there just isn't the money available to support the retiring baby boomers and that some concessions to free enterprise and private health care had to be made.

Two-tier systems are becoming commonplace everywhere now, and have become essential.
 
2006 was called a referendum. 2008 was a mandate.

2014? A blip.

The previous switches in the balance of power were lauded as a general awakening. Hell, I remember vast hordes declaring it the death knell of the GOP. But this time? Eh, low voter turnout.

It's blind hypocrisy.


Which we now know was always written as a penalty, planned as a penalty too.

How does this make BO and his Team Democrats look with Independents and women going into the future. Now being caught up in intentionally deceiving the Government and Government sources, as well as.....We the people.
 
"if you like your plan you get to keep it, if you like your doctor, you get to keep him" Which lie do you support?

Yeah, I get that. it was a stupid thing to say. But what is even more stupid: the notion that such would have been true even if no reform had happened. That's the real point, and why he shouldn't have said it, is that plans change and get more expensive every year, with nothing changing from the government. So, no, it wasn't likely that anything changed due to ACA.
 
Spoken like a true liberal who believes the govt. needs the money more than the private sector, probably a govt. employee?

No, more a true problem solver. We have a problem. It effects large numbers of people. We can ignore it, or we can work to solve it.
 
Doesn't look like we'll have to since it has serious legal flaws soon to be challenged.

Republicans will be smart to repeal it without repealing it. Defund it, rebuild it to what it should have been in the first place, then the catastrophe it's been goes away.

Heya Erod. :2wave: Here is Cruz on Election night and note how he says it can be taken apart.


 
This is everything honest, clear thinking Americans have been saying about the Left...

They are fundamentally dishonest. We're not talking small BS... They lie flat-out knowing they will get cover from their lap dog propagandists... On the Colossal Issues.

These people are beyond arrogant a-holes.
I wonder for how many stupid libs (he called you stupid) will be revolted, realizing this is what you are through association.
 
Heya Erod. Here is Cruz on Election night and note how he says it can be taken apart.

That will be a real winning platform for 2016:

Vote GOP and we will eliminate health insurance support for low income folks!
 
I thought all legislation was buried under mounds of documents in 'legal speak' to hide the pork, waste and unrelated spending?

Heya Grip. :2wave: Weeeell.....not all legislation. :lol:



ACA Architect: 'The Stupidity Of The American Voter' Led Us To Hide Obamacare's True Costs From The Public

A few months back, he was caught on tape admitting that Obamacare doesn’t provide subsidies for federally-run insurance exchanges; it’s now the topic of a new case before the Supreme Court......snip~

ACA Architect: 'The Stupidity Of The American Voter' Led Us To Hide Obamacare's True Costs From The Public - Forbes
 
Heya Grip. :2wave: Weeeell.....not all legislation. :lol:



ACA Architect: 'The Stupidity Of The American Voter' Led Us To Hide Obamacare's True Costs From The Public

A few months back, he was caught on tape admitting that Obamacare doesn’t provide subsidies for federally-run insurance exchanges; it’s now the topic of a new case before the Supreme Court......snip~

ACA Architect: 'The Stupidity Of The American Voter' Led Us To Hide Obamacare's True Costs From The Public - Forbes

Yea, I saw that article. I'm not defending the architecture of the ACA but it does address some of the important problems with the healthcare system. No doubt, Obama and most political leaders think the general populace are dumb dumbs. I mean, we do vote for them....lol
 
That will be a real winning platform for 2016:

Vote GOP and we will eliminate health insurance support for low income folks!


What will they have to say.....once Legislation is passed that protects people? Once legislation is passed where one can keep their doctor? Once legislation is passed to Strip away the Insurance bail outs.....then remove the medical device tax? Its called governing an actions speak louder than words.

Won't be much of a platform needed to run on there. Then it will be cleaning up BO's mess overseas and with Foreign policy. Hillary will be in the news and all of the BO's failures will be fresh in everyones face, again.
 
Yeah, I get that. it was a stupid thing to say. But what is even more stupid: the notion that such would have been true even if no reform had happened. That's the real point, and why he shouldn't have said it, is that plans change and get more expensive every year, with nothing changing from the government. So, no, it wasn't likely that anything changed due to ACA.

What really is stupid is the liberal rhetoric that this is a federal program vs an individual and state responsibility. Just like minimum wage, states handle their own issues and that is where healthcare belongs. Rhetoric trumps reality in the liberal world and you prove it every day. You do not pay for the uninsured in TX, I do
 
No, more a true problem solver. We have a problem. It effects large numbers of people. We can ignore it, or we can work to solve it.

"We" is the state and local governments along with the individual. This isn't a Federal problem even though everything is a federal problem in the liberal world
 
What will they have to say.....once Legislation is passed that protects people? Once legislation is passed where one can keep their doctor? Once legislation is passed to Strip away the Insurance bail outs.....then remove the medical device tax? Its called governing an actions speak louder than words.

Won't be much of a platform needed to run on there. Then it will be cleaning up BO's mess overseas and with Foreign policy. Hillary will be in the news and all of the BO's failures will be fresh in everyones face, again.
Again, I understand why it is that you stay away from trying to express your views in your own words and instead rely on C&P.

If the GOP tries to overturn the ACA, it will play right into the Dems hands. Just wait and see what happens if the SC rules in favor of King.
 
That will be a real winning platform for 2016:

Vote GOP and we will eliminate health insurance support for low income folks!

Right, vote for the liberals and their one size fits all programs so Federal tax dollars can be used for state and local uses especially for the Democrat base
 
Speaking of the stupidity of the American voter, here's a little article I ran across from a Canuck perspective.

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Oh please!

All this proves is that socialism is alive and well in Canada and that at least one of them is easily baffled.

He lives in Victoria where there are three kinds of people, socialist union members working for the government, retired union workers and a few who actually get things done. Here in BC the labor movement is ALL public sector and members of the socialist New Democratic Party.

This is a classic NDP fill-in-the blanks LTE which the NDP uses extensively.

This guy is part of the political spectrum that lost the election two years after leading the Liberals by 22% for three years, their campaign was a carbon copy of Obama's including the old saw "raise the minimum wage"

They have become a laughingstock here, their new leader was acclaimed because no one else wanted it
 
What really is stupid is the liberal rhetoric that this is a federal program vs an individual and state responsibility. Just like minimum wage, states handle their own issues and that is where healthcare belongs. Rhetoric trumps reality in the liberal world and you prove it every day. You do not pay for the uninsured in TX, I do
How many times does a complete lie need to be corrected before you admit you were wrong? I have showed you multiple times that Tx hospitals receive federal dollars for the uninsured.
 
Yea, I saw that article. I'm not defending the architecture of the ACA but it does address some of the important problems with the healthcare system. No doubt, Obama and most political leaders think the general populace are dumb dumbs. I mean, we do vote for them....lol

Cruz and a few others are for going after Repealing the Community age based rating. Which even some Democrats will join in that. I think Paul Ryan will be into that too.

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What Will Obamacare Cost You?

An interactive guide to understanding the financial impact of the Affordable Care Act. For more on our findings, see the accompanying article by Avik Roy: 3,137 County Analysis: Obamacare Increased 2014 Individual-Market Premiums By Average Of 49%.....snip~

What Will Obamacare Cost You? - Forbes
 
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