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Stupidity of the American Voter?

Perhaps Obama has a 41% JAR because this guy is right. We may be offended by what he says but is it true?

I think it is, and the Obama people, like Reid and Pelosi, depend on it. Why else would anyone say 'you gotta pass this bill before you can read it' unless, like Gruber, they had nothing but contempt for the American voter?

But this JAR cycle is nothing new. I seem to recall the last presidents JAR was even lower than Obama's, as a wave of democrats took the House for the first time in a decade. I am reminded of an old John Prine lyric, "And all of the news just repeats itself."
 
But that could mean doctor's making money and a profit and all and I know how distasteful that concept is to many on the left.

Profit is fine. But that doesn't address the issue of those who can't afford the product. As health of a community affects all of us, this issue more communal than individual. And as no doctor is going broke in any system, no one is denying profit.
 
Not to burst your bubble, but that's not an "article" offering a Canuck perspective - that's a letter to the editor of a newpaper expressing one idiot's view of Obama. The fact the letter writer is in British Columbia simply verifies the utter idiocy of his musings.

Canada has it's own empty suit, it's own unqualified clown, running the federal Liberal Party here and we don't need America's left-over crap cluttering up our environment.

I appreciate many Americans don't like Justin Beiber, but that's no reason to deport Obama our way.
So...is the overturning of the Canadian HC system building up steam up there?
 
Most of us would call it a radical wealth redistribution and massive Central govt. agenda.
You mean those who do not understand it and fall prey to ignorant talking points?

The elections should have told even people like you that the public rejects it.
Yet it did not tell you that the public embraced it when Obama was elected twice?

This isn't a liberal nation, it is conservative and when conservatives run they win
You have't got a clue. It was not conservative thinking that established this nation it was progressive thinking just at progressive thinking brought equal rights, ended segregation, made interracial marriage, gay marriage, gay rights etc. etc. possible. You know the stuff conservatives and bigots oppose.
The best today's conservatives can do is ruin everything but hey they do profit from that, just as you said it when conservatives ruin they win.
 
You dont think the Democrats can take back the Senate by 2016 if not then 2020? Or in your view "has the American public woken up to this terrible moderate Democrat agenda and will never give them anything again"?

Moderate democrat agenda? Lol.
 
Nancy Pelosi admitted that nobody in Congress even bothered to read it on the Democratic side.
Why bother reading it when no one could possibly understand it. It should have been a s simple as everyone is covered under medicare.
 
Everything is about the big bad scary "s word".
But you failed to answer my question, so I guess I'll ask again: "You dont think the Democrats can take back the Senate by 2016 if not then 2020? "

If they do it only underscores what Gruber had to say about the American voter.
 
Didn't you get the memo?

The public is only smart when they vote republican agendas. :roll:

You seem to have missed the memo. It is a Democrat strategist who is calling the American voter (ie their supporters) stupid.
 
ACA is a liberal policy and that is a problem. Bailing out the Unions are liberal policies and those are a problem, Wealth redistribution and class warfare are liberal policies and those are problems. Obama's results are a disaster as are all Progressive policies because they destroy individual incentive

You are simply wrong. The PPACA was passed with the intent to address a problem--sick people have no "individual incentive" if they cannot get treatment because they had a history of cancer, heart issues, diabetes, etc. and were either ineligible for insurance or were so highly rated that it was unaffordable. Obama was willing to not have an individual mandate but Reid refused to pass any legislation that did not include it. Without the mandate, the PPACA would not have been such a disaster. The market would have have adjusted more naturally. There have been other reports over the years that Obama was willing to compromise on certain things with the GOP but either Harry or Nancy would chain him to the post, mostly Harry. One of the first major changes you will see to the PPACA now that Harry is out of blocking power is the repeal of the medical device tax that will clear the Senate with democratic support. You will see a GOP minimum wage increase offered up which is a "liberal wealth redistribution" mechanism.
 
It took every stretch and twist of every trick known to American politics and law, and liberals still had to pass the ACA in the middle of the night. Nancy Pelosi admitted that nobody in Congress even bothered to read it on the Democratic side. Too many silly, stupid Americans didn't even know what was really happening.

The smoke-and-mirror posturing and blatant lies caught up with them, and now they're paying the price.

Republicans were just awarded the task of shredding the ACA in its ridiculous form, and destroying Obama's attempt to rig American politics for the foreseeable future.

The Supreme Court may save them the trouble. The challenge they agreed to hear the other day claims Congress lacked authority to set up federal exchanges in states that chose not to set them up themselves. Another challenge which may reach the Court claims the Obamacare law is a bill for raising revenue (remember that the Court said the individual mandate is a tax), and yet did not originate in the House, as the Origination Clause requires all such bills to do.
 
At the same time hypocrisy is always a two way street. I distinctly remember it was the right saying that voters were stupid and just wanted their government benefits (hell, in my more...uhm...upset moments, I probably said it myself). Let's face it, both sides will claim that voters are stupid when they vote for the other side.

I don't think voters are any stupider this go'round than they were in 2006 and 2008. I think they have always been this stupid, and are probably getting stupider as the years go on.

I get accused of being a conservative/Republican all the time, simply because I tend to argue against Democrats/liberals more. The reason for this is that the GOP is chocked full of crazy asshats who say stupid things on a daily basis, whereas the Democrats spend a lot more effort on their marketing strategies. The American voter/goldfish can't seem to remember the authorization of force for Iraq had many, many more than two points on it, yet can still quote Todd Akin verbatim. The goldfish do a great job attacking the GOP so I don't have to.

But when I turn on the radio and hear people who possess the patina of intelligence, education, and rationality say things that obviously contradict themselves from just a few years ago.... it makes me sad. I hate to say it, but I think we as a country deserve every bad thing that happens to us simply because we get so wrapped up in identity politics that we can't identify stupidity if it comes from our chosen team.
 
Not according to this article and others. All you have left is your pretense.

"if you like your plan you get to keep it, if you like your doctor, you get to keep him" Which lie do you support?
 
That would be a better system. It would return more jobs hoe than tax cuts would.

Spoken like a true liberal who believes the govt. needs the money more than the private sector, probably a govt. employee?
 
But this JAR cycle is nothing new. I seem to recall the last presidents JAR was even lower than Obama's, as a wave of democrats took the House for the first time in a decade. I am reminded of an old John Prine lyric, "And all of the news just repeats itself."
But this is about the architect of Obamacare deliberately obfuscating the contents and lying about them, just as Obama did by claiming "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan'. They are openly saying to the American voter claiming they are too 'stupid' to understand what's in the bill, and Obama still gets 41%. If a President can lie and call the American people stupid yet still get 41%, doesn't Gruble have a very strong point?
 
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Speaking of the stupidity of the American voter, here's a little article I ran across from a Canuck perspective.

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"There is no inflation"

If there wasn't I would be ****ting my pants right now because something is wrong with the economy.

A healthy 3% inflation rate is generally agreed upon by all economists to be the best thing for a country in terms of inflation/deflation.

Also, "unemployment" is under 6% but in reality it is actually 10%.

There are a lot of factors that aren't considered in that bogus "6%" statement.

That being said, yes, I believe our economy is growing and doing well. In fact, as the world around us seems to be slowing down America is slightly speeding up.

Europe is sucking ass.

Japan is sucking ass.

China is slowing down.

3rd world countries are sucking ass because China is no longer importing raw material to build more ghost cities.

But the USA... The USA is rising... Strange. Not unpleasant, just strange. I would wait before we make any assumptions, we aren't sure what the future really holds. Based on my somewhat ignorant view though, I say :bravo: because the USA is kicking ass and taking numbers.
 
WTF?

No, they are just ignorant talking points to the mindless minions who know and understand nothing more than conservative talk radio and Fox news.

Obama loves having people like you. The election last Tuesday said it all. Guess we know what side you sit on. Results don't matter because it is all about the rhetoric
 
You are simply wrong. The PPACA was passed with the intent to address a problem--sick people have no "individual incentive" if they cannot get treatment because they had a history of cancer, heart issues, diabetes, etc. and were either ineligible for insurance or were so highly rated that it was unaffordable. Obama was willing to not have an individual mandate but Reid refused to pass any legislation that did not include it. Without the mandate, the PPACA would not have been such a disaster. The market would have have adjusted more naturally. There have been other reports over the years that Obama was willing to compromise on certain things with the GOP but either Harry or Nancy would chain him to the post, mostly Harry. One of the first major changes you will see to the PPACA now that Harry is out of blocking power is the repeal of the medical device tax that will clear the Senate with democratic support. You will see a GOP minimum wage increase offered up which is a "liberal wealth redistribution" mechanism.

No, you miss the point, healthcare is a personal responsibility issue that is a state problem not a federal one. You do not pay for the uninsured in TX, I do. Just like with the minimum wage, liberals/progressives social engineer because it makes them feel good. States have the right to raise the minimum wage and many have so why is this a federal issue? The one size fits all Federal Programs are always failures but the rhetoric sounds good.
 
It happens over and over. We have an incompetent and corrupt federal government. Voters give power to one group. When their incompetence and corruption are displayed, they give power to the other group. Voters really are stupid. They blindly follow the system setup by the two political parties and never fix anything. Government gets worse and worse, political parties get more powerful and voters do the same thing over and over.

I went over the results and the exit polling. This stood out:

44% of voters view the Democratic Party favorably, 53% unfavorably
40% of voters view the Republican Party favorably, 55% unfavorably

So this election was unique in that the political party with the lower favorable and higher unfavorable ratings/views of the voter won. Perhaps that happened for two reasons, 1. Voters were angrier at President Obama than the Republicans in congress. 2. There was no choice C for the voters to take their wrath out on both the Republicans and Democrats. I believe if there was a viable third choice, a choice C, C would have won instead of the Republicans.
 
So...is the overturning of the Canadian HC system building up steam up there?

Not at all, because we did it the right way, more than 50 years ago. It's not as affordable as it once was, but there isn't a single Canadian who'd trade our system for yours, particularly not now. But there is a definite push to allow "for-profit" medical services to set up shop here. There are for-profit services for things the government doesn't fund/cover, but there's also a push to have for-profit services for things the government does cover, so that people don't have such long waits if they can afford to pay for it themselves, but that is currently illegal under our system, forcing those with money to travel to the US to beat waiting lists.
 
Not to burst your bubble, but that's not an "article" offering a Canuck perspective - that's a letter to the editor of a newpaper expressing one idiot's view of Obama. The fact the letter writer is in British Columbia simply verifies the utter idiocy of his musings.

Canada has it's own empty suit, it's own unqualified clown, running the federal Liberal Party here and we don't need America's left-over crap cluttering up our environment.

I appreciate many Americans don't like Justin Beiber, but that's no reason to deport Obama our way.
So...is the overturning of the Canadian HC system building up steam up there?
Not at all, because we did it the right way, more than 50 years ago. It's not as affordable as it once was, but there isn't a single Canadian who'd trade our system for yours, particularly not now. But there is a definite push to allow "for-profit" medical services to set up shop here. There are for-profit services for things the government doesn't fund/cover, but there's also a push to have for-profit services for things the government does cover, so that people don't have such long waits if they can afford to pay for it themselves, but that is currently illegal under our system, forcing those with money to travel to the US to beat waiting lists.

So the answer is, Canada likes its liberal HC system.
 
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