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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    That's such a revisionist history. They tried to create a government with no strong federal presence, and it was a massive failure. True they wanted to give the states power, and provide checks and balances, but they clearly learned their lessons from the Articles of Confederation. A strong federal government was necessary to make us a country, and not a series of states.
    Strong, but limited, in what it was allowed to do by a US Constitution. Why do some of you always miss the second, most important part?

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I don't you know that you can have any idea what the founding fathers would have thought about health care.
    Our Founders created a part time Congress and forced the Congressional Representatives to go home and live under the laws they created. That means states' rights were prevalent and not the massive central govt we have today. I would have thought that basic civics and history would have told you that. The country was built on personal responsibility and risk taking. Healthcare is a personal responsibility.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Because they can get low wage workers, often illegals. Yes.
    Really? You think Fortune 500 employ illegals? You think Fortune 500 companies pay low wages? You really don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. What is happening in TX is millions have moved here in the last decade and apparently liberal arrogance says they moved here for low wages, no insurance, poor environmental record, and poor education for their kids? Do you realize that Gruber was talking about liberals when he was talking about stupidity?

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
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    Not exactly sure what you are talking about, Romney would have made a great President due to his leadership skills and executive experience. The new Democrat Motto, For a massive Central govt, one size fits all, nanny state, vote Democrat you stupid voter. For states' rights vote Republican.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Which part of "Perjury in grand jury testimony is a felony" do you not understand? It does not matter what the lie was about. It was a crime.
    Gruber understated the case.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The fact of the matter is that this law was rammed through on Christmas eve at midnight, with a straight party line vote, by having to actually bribe its own caucus members through promises of individual deals to individual congresscritters to get the vote over the top...We conservatives said from the beginning that it was a lie. Now we've been proven correct, and what do liberals do? Well, what they always do, move the goal posts, lie some more, and when that fails, start in with the snark, and call names...

    Why anyone would allow these reprobates in any position of power is beyond me at this point.
    And these are the same people who feel they are smart enough to change or ignore the the US Constitution as well as the responsibilities of the House and Senate. Gruber was being too kind.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Well said. And the country is worse for having elected him.

    Thinking back in history, which other 'leaders' had the same style and substance? Can you think of them?
    I think this may very well be why we shouldn't elect charismatic 'empty shirts' to leadership positions, and why sometimes they do get elected.


    Very much on point, the core of the problem is the fact the American people elected an ad campaign; star making machinery, Madison Avenue convinced most of America that, yes ladies and gentlemen, it's true....cigarettes cure cancer.

    I saw him as an image, a card board cut out who wouldn't dare speak without a teleprompter, with an amazing speechifying ability and nice suits. Even his hype was hyped. I wrote, comparing him to past presidents before the election, that where Kennedy [to whom he had compared himself earlier] claimed "I am an idealist with no illusions", Obama had shown he was an illusion with no ideas.

    It is the result of several years of erosion of actual principles, the nation, and soon ours I am afraid has stropped looking at character, stopped examining the issues and suffers with 144 character over-simplifications of such simple topics as the difference between deficit "reduction" and debt reduction. Decisions are made based on what a made up talking head says, even if it is Saturday Night Live! It has to be true, it's on TV.

    I believe it stared with Kennedy, most observers thought Nixon won the first televised debate, I recall how pissed off was my father, the loyal UAW tool and die worker..."that union busting bastard" was, I think a tame example. But then the pundits realized that Kennedy had "won" on appearance, Nixon had the "five o'clock shadow"
    Carter again, all image and no substance, wow, he walked to the White House after being inaugurate....oh and wore sweaters...
    The Reagan, a beautiful mix of showman, pitchman, and experience politician. So few Americans realize he cause a student revolt in collage as student council president, went on to help improve an actors and film workers union all the while a card carrying member of the Democratic Party.

    However, not one of them, even Nixon, ever brought the level of arrogance to the office as has Obama. Believing his own hype, he saw himself as invulnerable and strutted into the White House, put his feat up and declared every Republican on the planet to be his "enemies". Where Clinton had to work with a core of obstinate Republicans, Obama created them, and didn't learn when the electorate sent him a message in 2010 and 2012 to cool it and start working with the people THEY chose for you to work with. Instead he unleashed Harry Reid and the "nuclear option"

    having read the biographies of Eisenhower, several on Kennedy [he was a terrible president], Carter, and Reagan, I am struck by the relationships those men had with their adversaries, Tip O'Neil and Ronnie were fast friends, Reagan respected him greatly. Eisenhower, the man who pulled together the egos of generals from a list of nations, did the same with Democrats, he even visited some of them at home.

    What I have seen of this guy is any 'meetings' seem to be more like lectures, he treats Republican congressmen like second class citizens, which says a lot about what he thinks of Americans who don't vote for him.

    What he missed with his so heralded education was that even Caesar got knifed in the back
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    When you vote for the greater of two evils, Obama, you are still voting for the (greater) evil.
    Well considering I didn't vote for him, I guess that's a good thing.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Not worth commenting on.
    Why Repubs don't increase federal power?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Our Founders created a part time Congress and forced the Congressional Representatives to go home and live under the laws they created. That means states' rights were prevalent and not the massive central govt we have today. I would have thought that basic civics and history would have told you that. The country was built on personal responsibility and risk taking. Healthcare is a personal responsibility.
    So you vote Republican because there's no career politicians on that side?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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