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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You are correct, in my assessment, that Gruber is likely representative of the upper echelon, the so called "brains" of the party, as if they have one.

    That would fit with the arrogance of trying to dictate, often by law, what they say is good for you while exhibiting gross ignorance to the degree of two years of unemployment instead of training and upgrade programs. Even in failure, they justify the lies and deceit with "but, people were helped. Yes they were, the 'shovel ready' thing helped a few hundred community organizers who simply had to hold so many meetings that the entire budget they scammed was used up without a dime going to a needy worker.

    I live in Canada, socialists have been legal here for a long, long time. They are no more progressive than a gold fish can teach physics, their core ideas, like a higher minimum wage, are about 100 years old. In a day and age when we have more women Premiers than men, one of whom ios an out-of-the-closet lesbian, the cries for 'women's rights' is like driving an Edsel.

    Obama's cling to Bibles and guns was what is called "image reinforcement", reminding his supporters that their common "enemies" are all evangelical, Bible moralists toting guns for the purpose of killing black people. That, I expected, what rocked me was "he could have been my son"....the first ever president to break the convention of never commenting on the finding of a jury of one's peers. That showed his true colors and how his socialist/populist ideas play to the fears of his constituents. The bad Republican racists will be coming for you if I am not around to protect you.

    The guy is a master at imagery and manipulating emotions to his benefit, but entirely absent of any true compassion for others
    Well said. And the country is worse for having elected him.

    Thinking back in history, which other 'leaders' had the same style and substance? Can you think of them?
    I think this may very well be why we shouldn't elect charismatic 'empty shirts' to leadership positions, and why sometimes they do get elected.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    If you are talking about him using executive privilege,.. he's not the first to do it?
    My apologies, I think I misread the conversation you were having.

    But let me ask you this based on what I just quoted from you... Are you ok with Obama bypassing the congress on a matter that is neither urgent nor a matter of national security, and using executive privilege to unilaterally rewrite federal immigration law?

    It's a simple yes or no question to establish where you stand on this.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Grip. Weeeell.....not all legislation.



    ACA Architect: 'The Stupidity Of The American Voter' Led Us To Hide Obamacare's True Costs From The Public

    A few months back, he was caught on tape admitting that Obamacare doesn’t provide subsidies for federally-run insurance exchanges; it’s now the topic of a new case before the Supreme Court......snip~

    ACA Architect: 'The Stupidity Of The American Voter' Led Us To Hide Obamacare's True Costs From The Public - Forbes
    It only took 10 pages for someone to point this out. How many posts is that? All the rhetoric and finally there is a post about the real future of ACA.
    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    We should always be aware and on alert of government over-reach and whittling away of rights....not just when our political party isn't in the Oval Office.
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    I'm sorry that you feel the need to defame the Americans who voted for Hillary Clinton, and that democratic institutions mean so little to you.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    King has a good chance in winning in King Vs. Burwell and that would have a devastating impact on ACA.

    King v. Burwell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "If the challenge is successful, approximately 5 million Americans who obtained coverage through federal exchanges would lose their tax credits and, in all likelihood, their health insurance coverage. The Individual mandate, employer mandate, and tax credits for employers to provide health-insurance coverage would also likely be overturned in states with federal exchanges. However, insurers would still be required to cover all applicants regardless of pre-existing conditions, which would destabilize the insurance market in states with federal exchanges and lead to rapid rises in premiums and the possible collapse of the insurance market in those states."

    "Only 14 states have set up their own exchanges. If the mandates and subsidies are struck down in the other 36 states, many think that the economic foundation of the ACA would be undermined, putting the entirety of the legislation at risk."

    Gruber is a hard link to the intent of the law as it was written for individual subsidies. His videos show an intent of how the law was written. The conservatives will argue that he is a smoking gun that the law was written to exclude subsidies for people that live in states that do not have exchanges. They will also the argue to the validity to the claims he has made (conservatives trying to prove that a liberal is telling the truth) and that he had significant input into the architecture of the law.

    The liberals have already argued that they never heard of the guy (liberals will argue that the liberal is not telling the truth).
    Nancy Pelosi says she doesn't know who Jonathan Gruber is | PolitiFact

    Pelosi:
    Didn't know the guy.
    "Well, you gave an interesting set of observations, but one that you skipped is Mr. Gruber's comments were a year old, and he has backtracked from most of them. He's not even advocating the position that he was at some conference. So I don't know who he is. He didn't help write our bill. With all due respect to your question, you have a person who wasn't writing our bill, commenting on what was going on when we were writing our bill, who has withdrawn some of the statements that he made. So let’s put him aside."

    But he was mentioned on her web site seven times:
    Speaker Nancy Pelosi | News Room | Fact Check

    "Still, when the press release was brought to Pelosi’s office’s attention on Thursday, aides indicated she does not know him – as she does not know everyone they have cited on their website."
    Pelosi cited ObamaCare architect in push for law

    Then this video surfaced where Pelosi referenced him:
    "We're not finished getting all of our reports back from CBO, but we'll have a side-by-side to compare. But our bill brings down rates. I don't know if you have seen Jonathan Gruber of MIT's analysis of what the comparison is to the status quo, versus what will happen in our bill for those who seek insurance within the exchange. And our bill takes down those costs, even from now, and much less preventing the upward spiral."
    Nancy Pelosi mentions Jonathan Gruber analysis | Video | C-SPAN.org

    From the Politifact site:
    "When this 2009 comment came to light, the Washington Post reported that Pelosi's office told them that the minority leader "meant that she didn't know Gruber personally."

    Gruber actually did work on the ACA in an official capacity for DHHS:
    "In 2009–10 Gruber served as a technical consultant to the Obama Administration and worked with both the administration and Congress to help craft the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, often referred to as the ACA or "Obamacare"."
    Jonathan Gruber (economist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    What I am interested in is how this will sit with Justice Roberts will react to this whole thing. The statements that Gruber made about how they avoided writing the funding for the law to avoid the funding being a tax make Roberts look like a buffoon.
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    We should always be aware and on alert of government over-reach and whittling away of rights....not just when our political party isn't in the Oval Office.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm sorry that you feel the need to defame the Americans who voted for Hillary Clinton, and that democratic institutions mean so little to you.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Oh, so you want to travel back and live with the morals of 1776? Great. When will you be picking up your slave?

    You're being a ridiculous person right now.
    No, you are being ridiculous by implying that morals, rather than constitutional amendments, change federal government powers.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    The fact of the matter is that this law was rammed through on Christmas eve at midnight, with a straight party line vote, by having to actually bribe its own caucus members through promises of individual deals to individual congresscritters to get the vote over the top...We conservatives said from the beginning that it was a lie. Now we've been proven correct, and what do liberals do? Well, what they always do, move the goal posts, lie some more, and when that fails, start in with the snark, and call names...

    Why anyone would allow these reprobates in any position of power is beyond me at this point.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Please, go on. Tell me more about medicine during the 1700s.
    I'll do you one better. Behold, something closer to the actual infancy of medicine.

    You could say that healthcare was not as advanced as it was today, but you cannot suggest that it was in some form of infancy, or has changed so dramatically in nature to the point where the Founders would have countenanced a federal takeover.

    The founders were absolutely worried about having too strong of a federal government. What are you in, 3rd grade? What an obvious statement. I don't see what the hell that has to do with the idea that this lady apparently thinks she knows the Founding Fathers would be against national health care.
    Let me get this straight - you do not see a connection between government power, and the ability to steer or control the individual healthcare decisions of hundreds of millions of Americans?

    who's in third grade?

    The Founding Fathers had the option to nationalize industry - they chose not to take it. Instead they rather deliberately left those decisions to the States. I frankly couldn't imagine any of them supporting single payer at the state level, either, but that is where they would have placed decisions about the healthcare industry.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    Why anyone would allow these reprobates in any position of power is beyond me at this point.
    Becaise the Amerian electorate really is stupid?

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    It only took 10 pages for someone to point this out. How many posts is that? All the rhetoric and finally there is a post about the real future of ACA.
    Mornin NBD. Well you know how the left is when it concerns that concept by Marvin Gaye and, whats goin on. Just sayin!

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    1) What?
    2) The economy was crashed when he inherited it. Job growth has occurred in every quarter since the recovery.
    3) He made the decision. Sorry if that bothers you.
    4) Sorry if you get hit with a drone strike
    5) How much have you taxes risen, specifically?
    1) He swore an oath to protect The Constitution and faithfully execute the laws of The United States of America. He's done neither.

    2) Part times. In the mean time, he's shut down more jobs than have been created.

    3) The decision to kill UBL, once he was located, had already been made. It had been made when Obama was still a community organizer, rubbing elbows with a Left Wing terrorist.

    4) There's no way in hell that Obama has, "insanely", attacked terrorism.

    5)Full List of Obama Tax Hikes | Americans for Tax Reform
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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